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Title: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 17, 2011, 01:39:23 PM
  Has anybody done it and is it worth the time.  From what they say it seems like a good Idea.  Just not sure.  Now that my alignment is a lot closer to what it is supposed to be.  Well it now at least has some toe in may be too much kind of hard to measure.  It drives much better.   But before I found out about the toe in reversing the shackles to the rear was going to be my last hope.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 17, 2011, 08:10:47 PM
This is what the product Description says.



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This system allows for relocating your front spring shackles to the rear mount for an improved, more stable ride with less rebound in the front end. No welding is required. This kit will work for lifted or factory height vehicles, and gives about 1/2" of lift.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: sharpxmen on July 17, 2011, 08:27:37 PM
This is what the product Description says.

downside imo is that you lose some clearance where the shackles go. Never used them so can't be of much help otherwise.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 17, 2011, 08:47:22 PM
I spend more time on the road that off.  So not too worried about that.    Still have some of that Darting around the lane and would like to end that.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: Jeffy on July 17, 2011, 09:53:27 PM
If you spend more time onroad then they can help.  You should have less wander.  The ride may become smoother as the leaf isn't fighting the shackle.

The downsides is that you'll get more dive when braking hard.  If you're steering isn't set up right you'll get more bumpsteer.  The other problem is with the front driveshaft.  If the driveshaft is too long you'll end up punching the transfer case.

There are some other things to be aware of.  Some shackle kits add lift, others don't.  Don't go with a bolt-on.  Not only does it add lift it will reduce your approach angle.

Although if you have other problems, it probably won't fix it.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 17, 2011, 10:19:26 PM
Ok Bolt on does that not depend on who makes it Rough Country has one its a bolt on.    Seems like it answers all the things you broing up to include drive shaft. In which they tell you to stick with stock length or you will have problems.  But the one thing I see as a problem is driveline angle.  The way I have it now with a 3/4" longer shackle in the front puts the angle just right.


  Think what I really need to do is get it in and have the alignment checked  and corrected.  Then see how it drives.  Cause all I could replace right now would be the Ball joints and they are still tight.  Everything else I've changed.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 19, 2011, 06:01:24 PM
Well that Idea may now be on hold.  One of the guys I work with noticed I have a bad wobble on my right rear wheel.  Thats the very side I was hit on when broadsided, they hit right on the tire on that side almost flipped me..  I'm beginning to wonder if they ever really changed out my rear end like they said.  I'm thinking the axle is bent slightly. 

  Know its not the rim cause that one is now on the front.  So what I need to do is pick up a dial Indicator tomorrow.  And see what is the problem  thinking the end of the Axle is out just a bit.


Have to get a Jack too mine just gave up the ghost.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: Jeffy on July 19, 2011, 06:13:12 PM
Well that Idea may now be on hold.  One of the guys I work with noticed I have a bad wobble on my right rear wheel.  Thats the very side I was hit on when broadsided, they hit right on the tire on that side almost flipped me..  I'm beginning to wonder if they ever really changed out my rear end like they said.  I'm thinking the axle is bent slightly. 

  Know its not the rim cause that one is now on the front.  So what I need to do is pick up a dial Indicator tomorrow.  And see what is the problem  thinking the end of the Axle is out just a bit.


Have to get a Jack too mine just gave up the ghost.
Jack it up and just spin the tire.  If it's bent you'll be able to see it.  I had a wobble that was about 1" deflection in the rear with the tire on.  It's a lot easier to see the bend with the tire on then with it off anyway.  no need for dial indicator.  Mine bent right at the bearing and would leak oil into the drum.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 19, 2011, 06:15:29 PM
Well that Idea may now be on hold.  One of the guys I work with noticed I have a bad wobble on my right rear wheel.  Thats the very side I was hit on when broadsided, they hit right on the tire on that side almost flipped me..  I'm beginning to wonder if they ever really changed out my rear end like they said.  I'm thinking the axle is bent slightly. 

  Know its not the rim cause that one is now on the front.  So what I need to do is pick up a dial Indicator tomorrow.  And see what is the problem  thinking the end of the Axle is out just a bit.


Have to get a Jack too mine just gave up the ghost.

If your still running the D35C and your flange is bent I have a pair of shafts you can have for the cost of shipping.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 19, 2011, 07:01:13 PM
Jack it up and just spin the tire.  If it's bent you'll be able to see it.  I had a wobble that was about 1" deflection in the rear with the tire on.  It's a lot easier to see the bend with the tire on then with it off anyway.  no need for dial indicator.  Mine bent right at the bearing and would leak oil into the drum.

  Need the dial indicator for other work anyway and will get it when I get my new Jack as the olds one died on me.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 19, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
If your still running the D35C and your flange is bent I have a pair of shafts you can have for the cost of shipping.


Any Idea what shipping will be as I would love to get them.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 19, 2011, 08:39:07 PM
Any Idea what shipping will be as I would love to get them.

No clue, where are you?
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 19, 2011, 09:08:34 PM
No clue, where are you?

Dexter Oregon 97431
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: sharpxmen on July 19, 2011, 10:34:01 PM
it will probably be $25 to $30 per axle, could be cheaper than double for both - i am comparing that with a driveshaft i had to ship from Utah to WA. I shipped a pair of axles to CA from Canada and was something like $60 so your ballpark would be somewhere around $50 imo.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 19, 2011, 10:44:26 PM
You use paypal right. Cause $50 sounds great.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 19, 2011, 10:46:01 PM
You use paypal right. Cause $50 sounds great.

Ya paypal is fine. Do you want me to send them, or do you want to wait until you know what the problem is?
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 19, 2011, 10:48:11 PM
Ya paypal is fine. Do you want me to send them, or do you want to wait until you know what the problem is?

Send them Its about all that could be wrong. 
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 19, 2011, 10:53:45 PM
Send them Its about all that could be wrong. 

I'll get them boxed. If it's over $50 do you want me to let you know first? I'll send them via Fed Ex. I have a account there and they seem to have good rates.
PM me your addy.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 19, 2011, 10:56:57 PM
I just sent you a message with my Address.  As far as the price just let me know if its Higher I'll cover it.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 19, 2011, 11:00:14 PM
I just sent you a message with my Address.  As far as the price just let me know if its Higher I'll cover it.

I'll get you a total when I ship them, also a tracking #. I got your address. I love the name of your street...even though I hate those things!  :fitz:
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 20, 2011, 04:19:29 PM
Got them sent. Cheaper than I thought.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 20, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
And that makes me happy check Paypal you should have heard from them.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 20, 2011, 06:48:45 PM
And that makes me happy check Paypal you should have heard from them.

 ;) got it! Thanks!
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: sharpxmen on July 20, 2011, 08:01:06 PM
how much was it to ship them?
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 20, 2011, 08:12:44 PM
Not as happy Now, But for a different reason.  Checked the runout of the Axle its got a slight wobble.  Checked the rim and its out a lot.  So  I must also have a bent rim.  So now to get new rims, will get them tommorow   Searching now to see where to get them.  They were showing their age anyway they were on the Jeep when I bought it used in 1994.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 20, 2011, 08:13:44 PM
how much was it to ship them?

$26.00 US dollars of course  :digdeeper:  :wall:
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: sharpxmen on July 20, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
$26.00 US dollars of course  :digdeeper:  :wall:

that's cheap, now i feel stiffed by Fedex for shipping from Canada - but now i know and ship everything to WA state and pick them up from there.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 20, 2011, 11:22:46 PM
that's cheap, now i feel stiffed by Fedex for shipping from Canada - but now i know and ship everything to WA state and pick them up from there.

Since I have a Fed Ex account I get a bit of a discount. Not sure how much, I thought it was 20% or something like that?
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 21, 2011, 08:42:03 PM
Just got back have new wheels on and was able to get an alignement.  Its riding much better now.  Think this may have gotten all the stuff I wanted to get done to have it running right.

  Now I'm waiting on new seats and carpet.  Plus an Insulation Kit for the floor to try and keep the heat out.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 22, 2011, 07:23:06 PM
Well they screwed up my order so nothing is coming in and I need to find it else where.  Ordered thru J C Whitney.  The sent and email showing my total to include seats.  But when I checked today they were gone no where on the order.  Called them and they said I never ordered seats.  But they could not explain why I was charged so much.

  Tried to get them reordered and they want to charge me a Higher price cause they went up from the time I ordered till now.  So I had them cancel the order and I put in a stop payment on it just in case.  Will wait till I see how this comes out before I can try to order from somewhere else.  Or May just take the seats in and have my old ones redone.
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: FourbangerYJ on July 25, 2011, 10:55:17 AM
Have the axle shafts shown up yet?
Title: Re: Reversing the shackels
Post by: grumpygy on July 25, 2011, 06:02:10 PM
Have the axle shafts shown up yet?

Just got home and they were sitting on the Porch Thanks.