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Title: No horn - HELP!
Post by: jfrabat on March 10, 2012, 03:34:31 PM
Ok, so my horn officially died, and it is nmot the horn itself, because I already replaced that.  It seems the problem is the contact on the steering wheel, but I have NO IDEA how to fix that.  Any ideas on how to fix this (other than installing a new HORN SWITCH or BUTTON!)?
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: grumpygy on March 10, 2012, 03:54:21 PM
When you do find the Problem please E-mail me to let me know.  I pulled the steering wheel pulled apart the contact plate cleaned every thing and still nothing,
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: Jeffy on March 10, 2012, 05:00:23 PM
Take the horn botton off.  Inside you'll find how the horn works.  There are three screws that hold a plastic ring.  Under it is a contact.  Clean the contact.  Be careful as you can get shocked if you leave the battery connected.
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: yjwrangler91 on March 10, 2012, 05:52:57 PM
Hi i had that horn problem i had a bad relay under the dash on the drivers side above the e brake hope this helps
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: jfrabat on March 10, 2012, 07:54:31 PM
Take the horn botton off.  Inside you'll find how the horn works.  There are three screws that hold a plastic ring.  Under it is a contact.  Clean the contact.  Be careful as you can get shocked if you leave the battery connected.

By "horn button" you mean the Jeep logo"  Mine came without it...  But I have never seen the 3 screws.

Hi i had that horn problem i had a bad relay under the dash on the drivers side above the e brake hope this helps

Interesting...  I'll take a look at that before taking my steering wheel apart!
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: sharpxmen on March 10, 2012, 10:10:03 PM
By "horn button" you mean the Jeep logo"  Mine came without it...  But I have never seen the 3 screws.

Interesting...  I'll take a look at that before taking my steering wheel apart!

i think there'a also a fuse, and if you didn't check put a jumper cable straight to the horn to make sure it's not shot.
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: grumpygy on March 10, 2012, 10:26:23 PM
Know I'm not getting any spark to the Button/ contact.  So guess I need to find that relay.  Fuze is good.
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: jfrabat on March 11, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
I know it is not the fuse because it worked on and off before it died.  But it certainly sounds like either a bad relay or a bad contact...  I will start with the relay because of simplicity, and the look at the contact.  As for the horn itself, I replaced that thinking it was damaged by water or something, so the one there is new...
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: grumpygy on March 11, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Dumb question is the windshield washer tied in any way to the Horn.  Cause that Died on mine at about the same time.  Have put in a new washer Motor but am not getting juice to that either.
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: yjwrangler91 on March 11, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
By the wiring digrams they come off the ing switch together and split from there .
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: jfrabat on March 11, 2012, 01:15:43 PM
Take the horn botton off.  Inside you'll find how the horn works.  There are three screws that hold a plastic ring.  Under it is a contact.  Clean the contact.  Be careful as you can get shocked if you leave the battery connected.

Just foun the section on the FSM...  8G...
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: Jeffy on March 11, 2012, 01:37:49 PM
By "horn button" you mean the Jeep logo"  Mine came without it...  But I have never seen the 3 screws.

(http://civilianjeep.info/Strenk/Steering/HornRingScrews.jpg)
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: dwtaylorpdx on March 11, 2012, 03:03:31 PM
Must be a aftermarket steering wheel?

The pic is the stock one, I've had 2 different jeep wheels but both used the same internals...

Dave
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: jfrabat on March 11, 2012, 04:51:02 PM
Must be a aftermarket steering wheel?

The pic is the stock one, I've had 2 different jeep wheels but both used the same internals...

Dave

No, I meant the Jeep logo in the middle of the part that Jeffy took off for that picture (you can see it in the background).  I still need to pull out the horn straight up.  Any ideas on how to best do that?
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: dwtaylorpdx on March 11, 2012, 05:04:54 PM
You NEED a puller to remove the wheel. Its Mother to get off with out one.
Most cheap tool and auto-parts stores sell them for under 20 bucks.

The other thing that goes wrong is the rign or the brush wear out and dont make contact anymore.

Dave
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: jfrabat on March 12, 2012, 06:00:37 AM
You NEED a puller to remove the wheel. Its Mother to get off with out one.
Most cheap tool and auto-parts stores sell them for under 20 bucks.

The other thing that goes wrong is the rign or the brush wear out and dont make contact anymore.

Dave

Wait a sec; the FSM does not mention pulling the wheel to check the contact.  It seems it can be done without hving to pull the wheel, right?
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: sharpxmen on March 12, 2012, 07:41:11 AM
Wait a sec; the FSM does not mention pulling the wheel to check the contact.  It seems it can be done without hving to pull the wheel, right?

i'm going to say yes but i think you need to for the brush, can't remember exactly
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: dwtaylorpdx on March 12, 2012, 02:39:12 PM
There are two sets of contacts, one is under the button, the other is the slip ring on the back of the steering wheel.

The slip ring contact wears out and you have to pull the wheel to get it off,
if the slip ring is bad sometimes you have to replace the hub or the whole wheel....  :brick:
Use a sharpy to mark the wheel and hub so you can get them back in the same
place otherwise the wheel and turn signal cancelling are out of sync....

This is really easy so dont sweat it, do it once and your an expert.  :biggrin:
Good luck.

Dave
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: dwtaylorpdx on March 12, 2012, 02:41:05 PM
Oh yea,,, leave the hub nut on to keep the wheel from popping off and hitting you in the face when the puller pulls it free...

"If there are no pictures it never happened...."


Dave
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: Jeffy on March 12, 2012, 08:11:30 PM
Hmm, never had any problems removing my wheel.  Came off without the need of a puller.   :fya:
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: sharpxmen on March 12, 2012, 09:15:39 PM
Hmm, never had any problems removing my wheel.  Came off without the need of a puller.   :fya:

the stock one on mine came off w/o puller, i have an aftermarket now and that one is no way coming off without it.
Title: Re: No horn - HELP!
Post by: jfrabat on March 18, 2012, 07:16:26 PM
Well, I learned a couple of things today...

1. I DO need a puller to take my steering heel out
2. My problem was NOT thecontact
3. Never trust mechanics to check the basic stuff (like, say, a relay), as many times they dont check $h!t....

My problem was fixed as easily zs cha ging my horn relay...

Felipe