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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: grumpygy on January 18, 2013, 11:41:42 AM
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I cannot open it by either Handle outside or inside. I have half Doors, but have glass slider windows on top. Got an Idea how to get it open so I can work on it. I'm sure I saw something like this before but cannot find it.
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I cannot open it by either Handle outside or inside. I have half Doors, but have glass slider windows on top. Got an Idea how to get it open so I can work on it. I'm sure I saw something like this before but cannot find it.
only thing i can think of is to take the cover off the inside and reach with your hand to try and find the little lever on the lock, if you have a spare lock would be easier to get some practice with it first or try to understand how it works on the other side.
never had to do this myself so this is just theory, no practice with it at all.
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Strange that both handles would stop working. Usually the outer handle fails but the inner handle works. Here's what I'd do. Unbolt the driver seat and take it out so you have room to take the door panel off. There are 4 torx bolts under the seat. You will have to slide the seat all the way forward to get to the ones in the rear and all the way back to get to the ones in the front. Take the strap off the door. Then you can try to pop the pannel off. You won't be able to get the top off though as your upper will prevent that. My guess is that the pivot for the rods broke or the rod that connects to the actual latch came off or broke.
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You might want to try removing the inner latch and see if you can work the rod manually.
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The only other thing I can suggest is to lube the lock (e.g., powdered graphite) and work with the key to ensure that the door is unlocked. Otherwise, pull the interior panel as suggested.
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Diagram attached.
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Hmm, if the arm on the lock itself that's not working, that would be a real PITA to get to. You're still going to have to take the panel off the best you can though.
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Looked it over may just have to take off the hinges and remove the door. With My Slider windows there is no way to get the door panel off without removing the sliders. They fit in the opening well enough that I cannot lift to clear the pins.
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Even if you take the hinges off the door will still be locked on. Take your top off and remove the sliders and take the panel off. Sorry it's a lot to do to get the door to open.
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Even if you take the hinges off the door will still be locked on. Take your top off and remove the sliders and take the panel off. Sorry it's a lot to do to get the door to open.
i don't think the sliders are perfectly straight on the side. The panel behind the door may get in the way and prevent him from simply lifting the slider out once the top is back.
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i don't think the sliders are perfectly straight on the side. The panel behind the door may get in the way and prevent him from simply lifting the slider out once the top is back.
Yep just looked at it would need to drop the windshield too.
I may just rip the old panel off. I need to replace it anyway.
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Yep just looked at it would need to drop the windshield too.
I may just rip the old panel off. I need to replace it anyway.
Like I said before you should be able to peal them back if you take the seat out.
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this is fairly obvious but i thought i'd ask anyway since nobody mentioned it - did you try unlocking the door with both the key and the unlock latch button from the inside? (seems that the latch has different lever points for the inside/outside) just thinking that you might have tried one and not the other, it could be that for one of them the rod came out but the other might still work. Again, just a thought, not a joke or anything. If the door is locked (and not the handles not working) you might also want to try to unlock (pull the latch) with a bent rod in case you can't unlock the door from both inside or outside.
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Tried both in and out. Also Since I put in the new Seats about the only way for me to remove the seat is with the Door Open. :rage:
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Tried both in and out. Also Since I put in the new Seats about the only way for me to remove the seat is with the Door Open. :rage:
Unbolt them from the floor then?
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so are the handles not working or the latch (to unlock)? like i said if the latter you might try to pick it with a bent steel rod or call triple-A (usually takes them 2 min to unlock). might save you a lot of work.
seat can be taken out like Jeffy said
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so are the handles not working or the latch (to unlock)? like i said if the latter you might try to pick it with a bent steel rod or call triple-A (usually takes them 2 min to unlock). might save you a lot of work.
seat can be taken out like Jeffy said
1st I changed the Bolts and need to reach both top and bottom to get the seat out only way to do that is with the door open.
But I did get it. The lock was not fully releasing. So I opened a slider reached in and worked both inside and key lock at the same time. The door opened. Thought I had already tried that but guess not.
Its all cleaned up and lubed again working like new.
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wow, nice idea to work them both at the same time, didn't cross my mind.
much better than taking the top of and folding the windshield :lol:
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wow, nice idea to work them both at the same time, didn't cross my mind.
much better than taking the top of and folding the windshield :lol:
Last time I tried to fold the windshield for some reason I did not get it to go. Need to cause I think the seal is leaking.
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Last time I tried to fold the windshield for some reason I did not get it to go. Need to cause I think the seal is leaking.
That can really open up a can of worms.
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That can really open up a can of worms.
Tell me about it; I folded the windshield and ended up having to buy the seal again!
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That can really open up a can of worms.
I remember
http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,2783.0.html
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I remember
http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php/topic,2783.0.html
Well, that's if you can get the windshield down at all. The hinges were painted with them mounted so the backside was never painted. I've heard of more then one case where the hinge locked up completely. The leaking and the rust are another issue all together.
That reminds me that I never reposted the project I did when I replaced the instrument panel. That was a bit of a mess as well.
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Well, that's if you can get the windshield down at all. The hinges were painted with them mounted so the backside was never painted. I've heard of more then one case where the hinge locked up completely. The leaking and the rust are another issue all together.
That reminds me that I never reposted the project I did when I replaced the instrument panel. That was a bit of a mess as well.
Just out of curiosity, is there ANY part on the Jeep that you have not yet torn apart and re-installed/fixed/upgraded?
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I don't think so. I rebuilt my visors a few years ago...
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I don't think so. I rebuilt my visors a few years ago...
Cleaned and redyed mine they are just like new.
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Cleaned and redyed mine they are just like new.
I literally rebuilt mine. Unstitched, replaced the boards and hand stitched it back up. I removed the edging to make them look a bit more modern.
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I literally rebuilt mine. Unstitched, replaced the boards and hand stitched it back up. I removed the edging to make them look a bit more modern.
You have WAAAAAY more time on your hands than me!!!
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You have WAAAAAY more time on your hands than me!!!
I was fed up with the visors not rotating as they should. You usually end up breaking the back of the cardboard inside which then ruins them.
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If it happens again, it has worked for me several times to try and open the door and smack the door with my hand near the latch. I need to lube my stuff up. Just got my jeep back out of my shop after it sitting for 2 years and this was the first thing I had to do!
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The trick that has worked for me when the door won't open from the inside is to put pressure on the lock/unlock toggle on the unlock side and at the same time pull on the lever. When it has to be too often, then it's time to lube the mechanism.
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If it happens again, it has worked for me several times to try and open the door and smack the door with my hand near the latch. I need to lube my stuff up. Just got my jeep back out of my shop after it sitting for 2 years and this was the first thing I had to do!
I even hit it with a large rubber mallet.