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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: Jeffy on February 25, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
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I'm curious to see if and how you're going to deal with the cam failure issue they are prone to having. There doesn't seem to be any fix and it's a crap shot if you'll have to replace the cam sooner or later. Thoughts?
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what does PD stand for?
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what does PD stand for?
Pumpe-Düse
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Pumpe-Düse
i'm still lost
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i'm still lost
PD stands for Pumpe-Düse. It's what they call the family of engines. It's also the engine that everyone is clamoring about and what HPA (now Cody Built)required for their swap. The system is dependent on the cam and tends to eat it.
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Sounds like a diesel. What's it out of?
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Sounds like a diesel. What's it out of?
MK5 Jetta 1.9L PD TDI. 2006 – 2008 VW Jetta TDI with 1.9L Pump Deuce Engine
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So everyone's forgotten? It's the 1.9L VW Diesel that people were/are clamoring about. PD in the injector system like CDI IIRC, VW didn't want to pay for licensing for the CDI and developed their own system.
MK5 Jetta 1.9L PD TDI. 2006 – 2008 VW Jetta TDI with 1.9L Pump Deuce Engine
2005-2006 maybe. There was no 2007 TDI in the US. Then they intorduced the 2.0T. In any case CodyBuilt wants a BEW which is a 2003-2006. Found in Golf's, Beetles and Jettas.
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Jeep's diesel is so much better:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/suvs/1303_2014_jeep_grand_cherokee_ecodiesel_first_test/43776760/2014-Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-EcoDiesel-engine.jpg)
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Jeep's diesel is so much better:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/suvs/1303_2014_jeep_grand_cherokee_ecodiesel_first_test/43776760/2014-Jeep-Grand-Cherokee-EcoDiesel-engine.jpg)
Except there is no kit and very few if any in the JY.
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As I have stated before, if I go the Diesel route, it will be a Toyota engine from the HiLux/Fortuner/Prado models running around here. That engine is plenty strong, and is already used in those 4X4 (plus, parts are available just about everywhere here).
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Except there is no kit and very few if any in the JY.
Whats a JY :pot:
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Whats a JY :pot:
Junk Yard
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I'm talking to some guys about just doing the LS swap....cheaper, more power, less gas mileage, bah...who cares.
I REALLY want a diesel though....
..And I haven't read anything about cam failure?
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I'm talking to some guys about just doing the LS swap....cheaper, more power, less gas mileage, bah...who cares.
I REALLY want a diesel though....
..And I haven't read anything about cam failure?
Seems to be well known in the TDI community. The Pumpe-Düse has a lifter that sits on the cam. From what I've been told it's not a roller while the others are. Seems the pump which is on the end of the cam doesn't get oiled well. There are recommendations to not drive faster then 75mph and be sure to change the oil earlier on and not do the extended timeline.
LS's are the way to go though. They are plentiful and can make a lot of power. MoTech is Las Vegas does a nice swap retaining everything needed to pass 49 and 50 state. The only thing I don't like is how they have the exhaust on the driver side connect to the pass side after the transfer case. This is because of the cats that attach to the manifolds. Though you can swap to car manifolds which have the output in the center rather then on the end which gives you more room.
I've been looking at a 4.6L Stroker or maybe a 350 TBI since they're cheap and fairly easy. 4.6L is at the top of the list though.
I was just curious is though wanting to do the 1.9L swap have really looked into the engine. It would suck to do a swap then have to rebuild it again and maybe again. I was told the cams are around $700-900 with the install kit.
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probably the ones with a cam issue have lots of miles
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probably the ones with a cam issue have lots of miles
I've heard less then 100K which isn't a lot for a diesel.
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Thanks for bringing it up Jeffy. I'm still on board to swap to the 1.9 asap. They are currently setting up the automatics to be the Aw4 from the XJ paired with the 1.9.
I'll give Cody/HPA a call when I get home from sea and find out what they have to say about the cam failure issue. This is the first ive heard of this.
Also, has anyone heard of Banks developing a diesel for Jeep??
I heard a rumor a while back about it. Not sure if it's true.
My current plan is going to be Aw4/1.9 and an Atlas 4spd. I'll prob do the atlas this summer.
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There are a couple of LS' used in my local club and a guy I really trust is ready to swap one into his Rubi this year. Going to help out with that and see if it is the way to go.
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There are a couple of LS' used in my local club and a guy I really trust is ready to swap one into his Rubi this year. Going to help out with that and see if it is the way to go.
Diesel is the only way, Moz. Everyone in the US does the v8 gas swap. Be different :thumb:
By the way, the last time I spoke with HPA they said they were working on a 400ft lb torque tune for the 1.9. This was according to the tech. I'm curious to see what the LS1 power band is. What sort of torque and power it's making at 1-2k rpm.
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Also, has anyone heard of Banks developing a diesel for Jeep??
I heard a rumor a while back about it. Not sure if it's true.
I know they've been working heavily on the new Jeep EcoDiesel 3.0L engine.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1208dp_banks_vm_motori_630t_v6_diesel_engine/
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The cam failures happen only on specific model years of VW engines I think 2006 is a bad year which has the fuel pump driven off of the cam. You need to just use a very very specific VW oil and filters and keep it changed to prevent the wear that causes failure. Most of the engines they are selling are the 1998-2000ish ones I believe which I don't think had that problem
I thought long and hard about the VW swap. The plucky jeep 4cyl does just awesome for everything except highway speeds, which becomes an aerodynamic disadvantage. I just decided to call a spade a spade and got a car for that and a truck for hauling. Im a lot happier.
Now if your jeep is all you have and you are trying to make one chassis do everything possible and use it enough to see the fuel savings versus the install cost, IMO a VW diesel is an unbeatable choice.
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The cam failures happen only on specific model years of VW engines I think 2006 is a bad year which has the fuel pump driven off of the cam. You need to just use a very very specific VW oil and filters and keep it changed to prevent the wear that causes failure. Most of the engines they are selling are the 1998-2000ish ones I believe which I don't think had that problem
I thought long and hard about the VW swap. The plucky jeep 4cyl does just awesome for everything except highway speeds, which becomes an aerodynamic disadvantage. I just decided to call a spade a spade and got a car for that and a truck for hauling. Im a lot happier.
Now if your jeep is all you have and you are trying to make one chassis do everything possible and use it enough to see the fuel savings versus the install cost, IMO a VW diesel is an unbeatable choice.
It's more then just one year but supposedly BRM's are more prone.
Cody Built/HPI's kit wants you to use a "1.9L VW TDI engine 2003-2006 BEW (PD Diesel)". http://www.cotybuilt.com/hardware.html You have to make sure it's not a BRM which was also used in 2006. The Beetle was still using a BEW in 2006. In either case both engines have cam issues with the fuel lobe. BTW the "1998-2000-ish" engine are AGR / ALH and not BEW.