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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: 01amberfirewv on April 11, 2006, 06:14:27 AM
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I was hitting some trails last weekend and a tree got in my way on a hill climb. (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/prch/IM000060.jpg) You can't tell from the pic but the hill leans left and was really slopy. I didn't want to back down so I had the tree moved over and tried to start then heard BANG. First thought D35 and I was right. Some friends swaped in a new passenger side shaft and put some 80w-90 in. I took a wile to get the medal chunks out so I thought I would clean out the diff and put some syn 75w145 in. It looked like glitter in my fluid and I found another small chunk in the diff. I cleaned the diff out as much as possible but I don't think I'll ever get all of the small flakes out. I managed to break a few teath off of my small ring gear too. Needless to say I am in the market to upgrade.
BTW my Jeep is a 2.5 with open diffs. I think the straw that broke the camels back was the partialy pulled e-brake
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thats exactly why i carry one of those telescoping magnets on a stick in my tool box... works GREAT for pulling chunks of axle shaft out of the axle tubes and diff! will even pull out the broken nubb sometimes... i carry a coat hanger and a small piece of steel tube for persuasion
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Nice job. Looks like many of the other D35 shafts I've seen.
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Aren’t there stronger alternatives to the stock D35 axle shafts? If there is already a thread about this with links, please point me to it?! I have been looking a little, and after seeing this, I am even more interested!
thanks
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You'd be better off swapping the axles if you plan on tires larger then 30".
Most companies like Superior, Yukon, Alloy, etc... make HD shafts that are stock size but are built with better techniques netting you around 19% more strength.
Then there is the SuperTurdy5 (Super 35) that swaps out the carrier and axle shafts for 31 spline shafts. This leaves you with an undersized R&P and housing. Basically they shove D44 shafts into the D35 housing. I wouldn't recommend this for people running over 33" since a complete axle swap is a better option.
You might want to read this thread in the FAQ: http://www.4bangerjp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=467
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I put in Yukon "Hardened" 27 spline shafts in my Dana 35. They are about $95 each and have a five year warranty from Yukon. They are said to be 35% stronger than a stock Dana 35 shaft.
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Joe Joe,
WHere did you get the Yukons?
TC
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You can find them on ebay i know that, not sure where else. I havn't seen anything about how much stronger they truely are...
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I hate when people talk about the warrenties on axle shafts. Yea axle shaft "X" might have a 5 year or liftetime warrenty but that aint gonna do shit for you when you break one on the first day of a wheeling weekend. Now your weekend is done. But you can get it warrentied and replaced and be ready to go by next weekend. If you are going to go that route, buy a second set and carry them with you. If you break one then you have backups. Or you could just upgrade the axle and not have to worrk about axleshafts.
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Yukon's are sold through Randy's Ring & Pinion.
I believe Alloy has a lifetime warranty though.
As for the warranty itself, yeah, it doesn't help you get back home but it does get you back on the road without having to shell out more money.
If I was running a D35, I'd go with aftermarket HD shafts and keep the stockers for spares.
Now one of the advantages of the Scout D44 is that the pumpkin is offcenter a bit. This allows for the axle shafts to be equal length so you only have to carry one shaft for either side. Most other axles have a left and a right side shaft. Although if you're in a pinch, I think my might be able to use a short shaft on the long side.
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Thanks for the info Jeffy. I plan to stay in the 29"-30" tire range for the life of this jeep. If I want 44's I get a 'toy' and swap out bigger axles and all.
For me, the Alloy's with the life time warrantee are pretty appealing.
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I am planning on staying with 31's but on the fince with my axle upgrade. I may be able to get a truss and with a truss and S35 I would think i'd be ok with 31's. Then again I thought I'd be ok with a S35 and open diffs :oops:
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Honestly, if I was running 31's or smaller, I'd upgrade to the HD shafts not the S35. Then keep a set of standard shafts for spares. You could buy several used spares for the price of a S35.
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^ i agree.
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Something else I have been thinking about is running hardend shafts and front and rear true tracs. I have been wanting to go with 4.88's too and would liek to do it all at once
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True-tracs front and rear used to be considered hard core in the 80's. You were really hard core if you ran a Detroit and 33's. LOL! :lol:
THe only downside to running a front true-trac is that you'll have some understeer when turning. This is because the LSD will want to go straight and fights when turning. You'll probably notice it the first week out. Otherwise, you should be fine. Tru-Trac's are very smooth and should hold up well.
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Yea, I have been reading alot about them. Our trails are narrow and muddy and there are a lot of side hills. I have noticed that the fully locked guys tend to end up down hill on the side of the trail. I know that the TT's may cause this too but I would think it will be more controlable than the full lockers. Should be easier on the diffs too :wink:
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The reason that the people with lockers end up sliding down the hill is when all your wheels are spinning it is easier to slide sideways. If you only have 2 wheels spinning then the other two will help with keeping side traction. You'll experience the same thing in the snow.
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Something else I have been thinking about is running hardend shafts and front and rear true tracs. I have been wanting to go with 4.88's too and would liek to do it all at once
I am running that exact combo. I have truetracs in my D30 and d35 with yukon hardened shafts with 4.88 gears. I have been out about 5 trips with zero breakage. I love the improvement on the trail and the truetracs are invisible on the road. IF I were you, I would look for truetracs on ebay. I got both of mine used for about $200 each and they were like new.
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thanks for the tip, I'll keep an eye on Ebay
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Yea, I have been reading alot about them. Our trails are narrow and muddy and there are a lot of side hills. I have noticed that the fully locked guys tend to end up down hill on the side of the trail. I know that the TT's may cause this too but I would think it will be more controlable than the full lockers. Should be easier on the diffs too :wink:
Easier? The main problem is with shock loads on the dog teeth of a locker. This is why you hear of many breaks with Lock-Rights an EZ's and Aussie's and not so much with Detroits and ARB's.
True-trac's unlike clutched LSD's will only turn up to 2.5:1 out of sync with the other tire which helps with the shock load. You can still shear axle shafts though. You don't hear about them anymore but the Auburn locker was known to shear off axleshafts because it was a very strong LSD.
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Wouldn't the hardend shafts help with that?
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It's a bit of a game when hardening materials. You'll see that most stock axle shafts will twist off and have a pointy end. This is because the outside of the shaft is hardened but the inner parts aren't. Hardened parts will tend to shear off in a straight line as if someone cut it.
Basically, it's the same difference between a Grade 5 bolt and a Grade 8.
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I think the straw that broke the camels back was the partialy pulled e-brake
Take it with the D35, you don't want to use your emergency TJ hand-brake and apply power (low range, which is close to triple the torque in the stock T-case) simultaneously, when you are going uphill on a trail. Good to know. :|
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Take it with the D35, you don't want to use your emergency TJ hand-brake and apply power (low range, which is close to triple the torque in the stock T-case) simultaneously, when you are going uphill on a trail. Good to know. :|
You'll just have to sit there and wait for someone with lockers and bigger axles to help you... :lol: :lol:
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I'll settle for being the guy who installs front/rear Aussies and is patient enough to take the time to recognize a bad line before he drives it...
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Trail Woman: "Chris, I'm stuck again... I know you are just running the D30/D35, but you always air out, run the tough front and rear warrantied alloy Aussies, get big traction and don't drive rutts like you're in the Baja 500, so you are the only one left who can pull me out..."
Chris: "Yeah but, what about those guys with the 4bangers and the big axles, the Detroits and the 35" tires? Can't they help you? They say they have the right set-ups?"
Trail Woman: "I've been sitting here for an hour and all I've heard is a bunch of "clicking" and "banging" and "snapping." Haven't seen any other Jeeps, though...
Chris: Don't worry babe, I'll get you out of there :D . And, don't worry about those noises either... All that is probably from the other Jeeps I was talking about... They make the noise to cause the Deer and other wildlife to feel safer out here. ...Good with the animals those Jeep 35" folks." :lol:
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I'll settle for being the guy who installs front/rear Aussies and is patient enough to take the time to recognize a bad line before he drives it...
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Trail Woman: "Chris, I'm stuck again... I know you are just running the D30/D35, but you always air out, run the tough front and rear warrantied alloy Aussies, get big traction and don't drive rutts like you're in the Baja 500, so you are the only one left who can pull me out..."
Chris: "Yeah but, what about those guys with the 4bangers and the big axles, the Detroits and the 35" tires? Can't they help you? They say they have the right set-ups?"
Trail Woman: "I've been sitting here for an hour and all I've heard is a bunch of "clicking" and "banging" and "snapping." Haven't seen any other Jeeps, though...
Chris: Don't worry babe, I'll get you out of there :D . And, don't worry about those noises either... All that is probably from the other Jeeps I was talking about... They make it to cause the Deer and other wildlife to feel safer out here. ...Good with the animals those Jeep 35" Ford-Legger folks." :lol:
Finally got off your front locker only (aka: SS Sinking Ship), I see. Doal lockers and some good tires will get you far. Futher then the guy who wants to stuff 35's with a 5" body lift and stock gears, that's for sure.