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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: Jeffy on June 14, 2006, 11:59:45 AM
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You guys down south don't know how lucky you are with gas prices. I filled up my YJ last night and it cost $65 @ $1/liter up here in Alberta
That's $58.35USD for 17.17 gallons. I only filled up 15 gallons. So if I added 2 more gallons it would be $52. I should also mention that I found the cheapest gas station around. It's normally around $3.29 which brings it to $56.46 for 17.17gal. We're not saving much. Oh yeah, this is for 87 octane. Plus or Permium would be much more.
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I didn't realize it has climbed that much recently.
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And still climbing!(http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/mad/boese005.gif)
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And still climbing!(http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/mad/boese005.gif)
Hmm, it's settled off out here. Although when I was down in Socal last month a gas station is Coronado was selling gas at $4/gal.
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SE Wisconsin has gone from 2.90 to 3.13 in the last few weeks and now that we're on the "summer formulated" gas my mileage has dropped.
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I split the topic off from the other thread...
I still remember only 3 years ago gas being $1.55 out here. All this uncertanty with the middle east and China is playing havoc with gas prices.
Not to mention in the US we have something like 18 different blends across the board. They really need to standardize gas so it's the same for the majoriety of states, I think. This would help with the shortages in some states at least.
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It is holding at $2.99 around Chicago, not sure what it is in the city, but im sure its up there too.... as I head out west for work it goes down to $2.89esh. I heard today on the radio that it will be gowing down by fall time. :roll:
Why cant it go down now?!!
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i just filled up with 87 for $2.65/gallon today
it could be worse
if we cared about gas prices that much we'd sell our jeeps and buy economy cars... but we don't... so we don't....
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Some of us own both. I have a 86 toyota p/u 4 banger 5sp at 28mpg. It just means more driving of the rustbucket while the Jeep sits.
Which still sucks...
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I'm driving my economy car while the Jeep sits parked too... So sad :(
I filled up with 89 octane (2nd one up) at $3.12 a gal... 9.97 = $31.20, at about 23-25 mile per gallon, I'm not complaining... loudly.
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This is why diesel is looking so good...
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if you are complaining what should we say? the price is 1.35 € per litre!!! wich makes it around 7 € per gallon. Its the reason why our cars mostly have engines between 1 and 2 litres.
The good news is that shortly they will introduce a new tax on suv and 4x4, yes i live in great country!
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The good news is that shortly they will introduce a new tax on suv and 4x4, yes i live in great country!
You mean you're happy to be getting taxed more because you own a jeep?
That makes sense. :roll:
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I moved closer to work, with in 5 miles, because of gas prices. Now comes a lift and big tires :D
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This is why diesel is looking so good...
Diesel out here is more expensive then regular. It's around $3.25.
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The good news is that shortly they will introduce a new tax on suv and 4x4, yes i live in great country!
You mean you're happy to be getting taxed more because you own a jeep?
That makes sense. :roll:
ever heard of sarcasm?
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if you are complaining what should we say? the price is 1.35 € per litre!!! wich makes it around 7 € per gallon. Its the reason why our cars mostly have engines between 1 and 2 litres.
The good news is that shortly they will introduce a new tax on suv and 4x4, yes i live in great country!
1 gal = 3.78L
1 EUR = 1.28039 USD
So that would be $4.83USD/gal. We're not that far off from that. Actually people were thinking we'd hit $5 this summer but people have cut back significantly that it's leveling off.
Also, keep in mind that unlike many other countries, the US does not have a very good train system. This was because of the auto companies back in the 50's. To get from San Francisco to Los Angeles you would haev to drive the 400 miles. You could fly for around $60-70 per person one way or you could take the train for $100 pre person.
I think it would be great if we could take our cars into the train like the Europe but thay don't do that here. We don't have high speed tracks either. Trains are limited to 79mph. If we could jsut go to the tran station, pull into a car with our car then ride down to Socal then get out, that would be awesome and I'd do it. It would sure beat driving down I5.
The other problem I see is that everyone has a truck or SUV here. I'd say 80% of those who drive them bully smaller cars. So it can be a bit dangerous for small car owners.
ANother thing is most European's have City cars. This concept is slowly appearing in the US becauses the gas prices are forcing it. I know in most other countries, people will have a small city car but then at home have another car for family trips/outings. Everyone seems to use their SUV's for everything here. You usually get one person in the SUV commuting everyday some 40 miles.
The only problem is that most companes are slow to bring them over here. We don't really have a sub compact catagory anymore. Most small cars have grown to almsot mid-size. Although Japan is quickly jumping on the opportunity. They brought the Yaris and Jazz to the US. We don't get the anything from Renault, Peugeot, Fiat, Alfa Romero or Skoda. Renault pulled out of the US after Chrysler bought AMC/Jeep. Alfa pulled out in the early 90's.
I have noticed a 100% increase in motorcycles on the roads though. Scooters were never really popular in the US because of the distances people have to travel. Most drivers in cars don't pat attention to anything other then a car and they do that poorly sometimes, too. Speed limits are too high for the smaler scooters so they aren't legal on the highways. The one nice thing about the small scooters is that they don't need insurance and with 100mpg range, you could commute short distances with them and not fill up for months.
Oh and diesels which have been known in Europe as being good on gas mileage are dissappearing before they even get established here. I've read that VW is going to stop exporting their TDI's. DC is going to stop with the CDI Liberty also. The problem with the Liberty is that mileage wasn't that great for the added cost of buying a diesel. Sad to see the VW's go though. They could get a honest 45mpg. I believe one of the problems was the EPA and its strict rules on particulates. I think the Diesel fuel in the US isn't as clean burning as other European countries.
As for that SUV tax. That would be interesting. Although in the cities, it would be hard to drive around in a US made SUV. Roads are too narrow parking would be a real headache.
Hopefully once the war is over, oil prices will come down again. Although I doubt we'll see pre-war prices ever again. No more Sunday drives, no more cruising on a Friday...
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omg you are abslolutely right on the conversion gallons to litres, i never actually bothered checking it up since i was 100% sure to be right! Its not that much of a difference then.
I have tried to enquire about putting a car on a train and trust me its not convenient at all, what works out cheap its shipping it, as you know italy its surrounded by sea on both sides. I shipped mine from rome to sicily and back for only 180 € with two people included. On the road would have been 1500 km, with petrol and motorway toll it worked out half of the price, not counting 20 hours driving in total.
Yes, why isnt diesel popular in the US? It should be, considering the long distances you travel from 1 city to another, the long distance is when a diesel is more convenient and eventually it will re-pay the major starting price itself. Consider that an average 2.0 - 2.5 diesel family car here has anything from 130 to 180 hp, and believe me you'll be impressed by how well it drives and the performances they have . Any of those will do from 10 to 18 km with a litre of diesel, its all thanx to the new ignition sistem called common rail wich sprays the fuel in the cilinder at pressure up to 1400 bar, the high pressure makes sure that 90 % of the fuel injected will burn against the normal 75% so it need less to gain the same amount of power.
With this new technology a diesel engine is definetely worth looking at, and for those who like the v8 they do those as well, actually VW does a v10 too.
Here in europe we also have lpg and methan gas engines. lpg is Liquid petrol gas, wich actually is made with the left overs of the petrol making and its price its the half of petrol. In order to use lpg or methan gas you need to get a conversion wich cost around 1000 €, a conversion means that you'll be able to use both lpg or petrol just by pressing a button on the dash, considering the price of the lpg making 25000 km it will re-pay itself off. Some companies also started building cars with the double injection so its all included in the starting price.
lpg and methan gas its were i see the future going
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ever heard of sarcasm?
Ya never know, I've heard some retarded theories that supposedly came from people in political office to put a 1.00 a gallon tax or more to force people to get rid of gas guzzlers and decrease the demand. That's somehow supposed to lower gas prices. They must not see that the person who can afford a $60,000 5mpg SUV doesn't care. Anyway, I'd believe a lot right now.