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I got myself some 19lb injectors from ebay. I paid $32.00 for a set of 8 and that includes s/h. Not a bad deal. I won them yesterday and they should be shipping soon. Anything I should know prior to puting them in?
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dexetr30. Take Pics and do a writeup on the install. I am very curious on how this goes in and the what kind of benefits are achieved. 8)
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I got myself some 19lb injectors from ebay. I paid $32.00 for a set of 8 and that includes s/h. Not a bad deal. I won them yesterday and they should be shipping soon. Anything I should know prior to puting them in?
So that means you can sell the other 4 and charge $16... :whistle:
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New injectors? If not, check the O-rings for any signs of distress or damage. Cheap replacement now, vs. leaks later... :)
Peter
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Putting them in is not that hard at all. New o rings will help. Just try to clean any dirt or grime that has built up on the intake. I used a little bit oil on the rings to help them slide into the rail. Then just kind of hold the rail in place and tighten the hold down bolts. Turn the key to pressurize the system and see if they leak from the rail then start it up and see if they leak at the intake. One thing I did after was to put a can of Seafoam in the gas tank. Since mine were used and sitting for a while i wanted to try to clean them out.
I can say this last weekend I drove about 500 miles to get my kid. All freeway driving. I have drove this before and I got about 16 MPG. Also there were a few hills that I had to downshift into 4th gear to get up. this time I got 19 MPG and no downshifting at all. So I am sold on them.
Good luck
Joe
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They are used injectors. They have about 50 thousand on them and are from a 2000 mustang GT. I planned on replacing the O rings. Also, I'll plug each one in and check the spray pattern on them before they get installed. Thanks for the advice guys.
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They are used injectors. They have about 50 thousand on them and are from a 2000 mustang GT. I planned on replacing the O rings. Also, I'll plug each one in and check the spray pattern on them before they get installed. Thanks for the advice guys.
Well, I got a smelly box in the mail today. (check went out today, btw)
I looked iver the injectros and they are a bit durty but otherwise look good. The gaskets look pretty good actually since the dirt never made it to the gaskets. Looks like they could be just cleaned up and thrown in. Did you check these? They sure are fragrant.
I've got to read through thsi thread again to see what I need to do to prep for the install of these bad boys.
Also, keep in mind that some MAP's are wider then others. This has to do with the lose tollerances used with them.
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Where are you getting the O-rings from? I just cleaned mine up and one was torn. It was an upper. The lowers look pretty good though.
Oh and how are you supposed to take the 'brown cap' off the injector to take the seal out.
Looks like these O-rings (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=FEL&mfrpartnumber=ES70599&parttype=674&ptset=A) will work but damn, some of the kits out there costs as much as my injectors did, :lol:
Actually looks like these (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=NIE&mfrpartnumber=274081&parttype=752&ptset=A) might be better since they have the seals and the )-rings along with the seat.
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Let me know how yours turns out.
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Sorry Jeffy, didn't get a chance to check them like I said. It's a crap shoot on both ends. Lol, you're the second one to recieve that same smelly box in the mail. I had one torn and one missing o-ring myself. I ordered new ones (o-rings) from the local ford dealer. I got the injectors from e-bay from a guy who said they were from a 2000 Mustang g.t. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping they work once I get them in. I'm not really sure when I'll find the time to do that right now though. Things have been more than hectic around here as of late... which is why they didn't get tested. If you get them in before I do let me know how they work for you.
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Sorry Jeffy, didn't get a chance to check them like I said. It's a crap shoot on both ends. Lol, you're the second one to recieve that same smelly box in the mail. I had one torn and one missing o-ring myself. I ordered new ones (o-rings) from the local ford dealer. I got the injectors from e-bay from a guy who said they were from a 2000 Mustang g.t. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping they work once I get them in. I'm not really sure when I'll find the time to do that right now though. If you get them in before I do let me know how they work for you.
Well, likd I mentioned in the other thread, I bought seak kits but I don't know hwo to take the caps off the end. They look like they should pop off. I was looking though teh FSM and it say's there's supposed to be something like 14ohms (gotta double check that number) on them if they're ok. From the smell, I'd better they work fine. How many injectors did you buy anyway?
I was thinking about installing these soon. Well, if I can get the lower seals replaced.
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I bought a set of 8. Let me know what the ohm's rating is when you re-check the fsm. Let me know if they work for you. If not you won't have to worry about my cashing that check. I won't sell you something that doesn't work. :wink:
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I bought a set of 8. Let me know what the ohm's rating is when you re-check the fsm. Let me know if they work for you. If not you won't have to worry about my cashing that check. I won't sell you something that doesn't work. :wink:
Haha, I spent more on those seals then the injectors I think, LOL! $16 is nothing really. I checked the YJ spec's on the injectors. Actually, I should check the Ford specs for testing. I've got a few ford friends that I can ask.
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Ok, does anyone know how to take teh cap off the injector? I've asked a few and no one has come back to me on it. They look like they just clip on but it's requiring a lot of force and still doesn't pop off.
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Ok, does anyone know how to take teh cap off the injector? I've asked a few and no one has come back to me on it. They look like they just clip on but it's requiring a lot of force and still doesn't pop off.
I know what you are saying about getting the cap off. They are on there pretty good. I am wondering why are you trying to take if off? Not trying to question you just wondering if there is something that I missed. I would suggest maybe sending them out to be rebuilt. There are a number of places that will do it for 12-15 per injector. That is with new O rings and all. For what ever the kit cost that you bought it may be worth taking that back and getting them rebuilt.
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Ok, does anyone know how to take teh cap off the injector? I've asked a few and no one has come back to me on it. They look like they just clip on but it's requiring a lot of force and still doesn't pop off.
I know what you are saying about getting the cap off. They are on there pretty good. I am wondering why are you trying to take if off? Not trying to question you just wondering if there is something that I missed. I would suggest maybe sending them out to be rebuilt. There are a number of places that will do it for 12-15 per injector. That is with new O rings and all. For what ever the kit cost that you bought it may be worth taking that back and getting them rebuilt.
This thread is a bit confusing since there are three threads on the subject. The whole purpose of this project is to keep it cheap so anyone and everyone can do it. The reasoning behind removing the caps is to replace the O-rings and seals. Some where torn when they were removed. The injectors were only $16 shipped. Seal kits are $3 a set and costs nothing. It's cheap insurance to replace all of the seals and O-rings now then having to take it apart a second time to redo them.
(http://www.partsamerica.com/product_images//img/nie/2-12085.jpg)
BTW: I figured out how to take the caps off. It was fairly painless but took more effort then you'd think. I noticed the new cap seal and spacer don't roll around on the end if the injector anymore either. So all I need to do now is depressureize the fuel rail then take it off and swap the injectors. I might do this theis weekend since I've got some free time.
So car the project adds up like this;
Injectors - $16 (thanks dexetr30)
Seal Kit - $2.97 x 4 (Online they're $2.19)
4 O-rings - $3.99 (bought these before I found the kits.)
So it's around $27 right now, not including the extra O-rings.
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Well, they're in. That's about all I can say right now. Took it around the block and didn't really notice any difference. Getting those injectors in and out was a PITA too. Overall I'd give this a 5/10. Lots of PITA here and tehre to make it more difficult then it should be. Not to mention no one had a decent writeup and the FSM is very vague at best.
Let me get some miles on them and I'll probably hace something better to say.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/yokomura/4BangerJP/injectors/Ford-Injectors-010.jpg)
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I haven't noticed much difference, at least in the lower RPM's. I need to see how well it does over 3000RPM. Maybe I should reset my computer once more, just to be sure.
I did manage to get a parking ticket today though! :brick:
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I wanna hear if it runs rich or not. Mine didn't at first but did after about 3-4 days of driving and the computer adjusted.
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How do you reset the computer? Just dis connect the battery or is there something else?
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How do you reset the computer? Just dis connect the battery or is there something else?
Disconnect the battery for a few minutes. I forget if you're supposed to ground the positive or not. Still leaving the battery disconnected for a few minutes will be sufficent.
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So what's the word Jeffy? Notice any differences so far? I've been a bit to busy to do the swap myself. As soon as I can get out of the philadelphia area and head back home I can get back on a few unfinished projects. Let us know what you've experienced so far.
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So what's the word Jeffy? Notice any differences so far? I've been a bit to busy to do the swap myself. As soon as I can get out of the philadelphia area and head back home I can get back on a few unfinished projects. Let us know what you've experienced so far.
I haven't driven the Jeep in a while so I haven't been able to test it. Although it fired up fine when I did drive it.
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Well, I've got a few more miles on the setup and did a few more hills. Here's what I think.
For $30, it's worth it so far. I don't notice the change much at the lower RPM's but when you get over 2500rpms and up to 3000rpm's, it's more noticable. On the freeway it didn't seem to lug as much in 5th as it once did. On another route, I did a loong hill that starts off gradual then climbs and snakes a bit. I was holding it in 4th at 3000+ rpms all the way up. I know if I don't rev it up, or run up to someone slow I'll be in 3rd.
I haven't noticed any gas mileage difference but then again I haven't gone through a full tank.
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New to this so I hope I'm posting correctly and in the 19lb injector thread. I noticed in the picture that the blue plastic cap (unit on the right) looks larger than the presumably stock unit on the left. If that's the case, how does it seat properly in the intake?
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New to this so I hope I'm posting correctly and in the 19lb injector thread. I noticed in the picture that the blue plastic cap (unit on the right) looks larger than the presumably stock unit on the left. If that's the case, how does it seat properly in the intake?
They are actually about the same size. I've got a lot more pictures but haven't had time to write it up yet. The only part that does seat is the O-ring really. The rest of the injector is held in place by the fuel rail.
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Thanks. I bought a set of holley injectors for the ford (yellow 19lbs) and they came with the same blue caps. Actually, some were tan, but anyway, I compared the two (old and new) before attempting the replacement. I noticed the size difference right off the bat and wondered if there was something left inside my intake? There is no way the new injectors will go in if I leave these caps on. Also, I wondered why they weren't metal, like the original injector tips. Just don't see how they'll fit...and I've tried, with the plastic blue (or tan) cap on. And both old and new look exactly like the photo you posted. SO...... If I wrestle the blue cap off, making the injector fit into the hole and seat properly (depth as well), will it leak? The only difference I see is in the thickness of the blue cap. If I simply push them in until they bottom out on the plastic, there would be an 1/8 inch or so difference in how far down the nozzle or pintle is into the intake. Thanks for your assistance, just don't want to screw anything up or worse yet, have a fire.
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All of my Ford OEM injectors I got had the brown caps. I changed them to blue when I bougth new seal ktis ofr them all. The color of the cap doesn't mean much. The stock Denso injectors caps are metal because that's what they used. Interesting thing though, the cap and O-ring kit I got will work on Jeep injectors among other things. For and most others I've seen use plastic caps.
From what I've experianced the injector does not bottom out in the intake. It only goes in around half way. What holds it in place is that the clip on the injector is attached to the rail and the rail is bolted down to the intake. You shouldn't be able to push them into the hole easily. It's a really tight fit and the O-ring might bind. I ended up mounting them into the rail and using the rail to press them in.
I think I said this before but, the Denso injectors don't or didn't seat all the way into the hole. You don't want to take the cap off because that's what keeps the O-ring from slipping off. It wouldn't be good if it got sucked into the engine.
How much did you pay for those Holley Injectors? This mod with ebay parts and rebuild kit only cost me $25-30. That's for 4 injectors where Dexetr split with me. I'm not sure if this would be worth it to do with new parts although. It definatly doesn't make it a cheap swap anymore. I like the low budget approach.
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Well sir, I bought the set off e-bay after following a few of the threads here before I became a member. Less than $40 for 8 and that included shipping. I went to the wrecking yard today and picked up a 4.0 TB and air intake. My spacer came yesterday so I pulled the 2.5L off, ground away the intake materiel to meet the gasket and beveled it. Switched all the electronics off my 2.5 TB and bolted it up. Idled a bit high (1000) then came down after a trip around the block. Didn't really notice any difference to be honest. So, in my haste, I decided to try the injectors. I looked into the intake where the injectors go and the hole was only large enough for the tip of the injector to fit through. The o-ring and nylon seal fit inside the larger opening. Had to take the plastic cap off the end of the injectors to make them seat properly. I tried to make them work but it was obvious by the scarring on the plastic tip that they were not going in that way. The O-ring was extremely tight. Put a little tranny fluid on them and the uppers to try making the job easier. COULD NOT put them in your way. Was a SOB on the top side. Actually ruined two o-rings trying to get them up into the fuel rail. After all four were in the top, I actually placed the o-ring and washer into the intake and then worked all four into place at nearly the same time. Bolted all down and It bolted tight - not as if there was any slack at all from the removal of the caps...it went together very tight. Reconnected the battery, pressurized the systed (this was attempt # 2 as I did all this before when I noticed the fuel pouring out from the torn o-ring) and no leaks. Fired it up (so to speak) and let her idle, no leaks. Went around the block. Noticed an incredible jump in throttle response. Low end torque through the roof. Got on her and man does she respond. Hit 4K easily 1st-3rd nothing flat! 70mph at 3K in 5th so gears are low (stock 225 tires as well) so no top end to measure. Most impressive throttle response - more so than with the 4.0 TB alone. Moves along with a lot less throttle effort than previously. Kind of bogs down if you don't let her warm up though- almost a backfire. Still no leaks so I think I'm OK. Looking at putting 31" tires on so the tire height may help my top end a bit. On a side note, had to make a trip to the hardware store for a 2" rubber sleeve (with hose clamps attached) and a 2" PVC sleeve (worked it in the rubber sleeve and into the intake tube) to give me that little I needed to connect the 4.0L air intake. Think I'll encounter any probs with this setup?
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do these injectors only work on yj's?
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I don't know, mine's a TJ though. Suppose I'd better build a profile.
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I installed the injectors today! I did not change the o-rings. They were in good shape and wanted to try it before putting more $ into them. The exchange went easy. I put some brake/hydralic oil on the o-rings during the install. Used Carb Cleaner to clean the intake. The job took about 45 minutes.
Test run- there is a noticable difference in power above 3k rpm. It is almost like a different power band. I drove up a small hill in 4th and usually bog going up. It did not with the new injectors. I'm going hunting tomorrow and will report on how it performed on bigger hills.
My opionion, I got more power for $28 and am happy so far and was worth doing for me.
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I went up some steeper hills to go hunting and noticed a difference. I don't know about the gas mileage but it is better, I used less getting there driving from spot to spot and back. My wife took the jeep for a ride and agreed that there is better performance. It was worth doing for me and thought it was an easy switch. someday I'll figure the gas mileage
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Mustang 5.0 GT Bosch 19 lb/hr Fuel Injectors Design 2 :)
Mustang 5.0 GT Bosch 19 lb/hr Fuel Injectors Design 3 :D
Does this matter if its a Design 2 or 3...????? and can any one post the other threads?
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I used design 3, which come from a newer model ford.
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Mustang 5.0 GT Bosch 19 lb/hr Fuel Injectors Design 2 :)
Mustang 5.0 GT Bosch 19 lb/hr Fuel Injectors Design 3 :D
Does this matter if its a Design 2 or 3...????? and can any one post the other threads?
What's the year cut offs for the different designs?
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I didn't see any on Ebay, but would be willing to split a set of 8 with somebody if they find some.
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What's the year cut offs for the different designs?
These are the Design 3 Injectors and are a nice upgrade for all Design 2 19 Lb/Hr Injectors due to their superior Spray Pattern. Direct Retrofit for all '86/'93 Mustang 5.0 GT or LX. Ford Injectors (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mustang-5-0-GT-Bosch-19-lb-hr-Fuel-Injectors-Design-3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33553QQihZ008QQitemZ180042350759QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)
Thats straight off of Ebay.... :nothing: i dont know about superior design
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what about the larger injectors ? like 34lb ? vrooooommmmmm
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What's the year cut offs for the different designs?
These are the Design 3 Injectors and are a nice upgrade for all Design 2 19 Lb/Hr Injectors due to their superior Spray Pattern. Direct Retrofit for all '86/'93 Mustang 5.0 GT or LX.
Thats straight off of Ebay.... :nothing: i dont know about superior design
check out that guys feedback... sounds like a bad mamma jamma
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I didn't see any on Ebay, but would be willing to split a set of 8 with somebody if they find some.
Buy a set of 8 and sell off the other 4 for 1/2.
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What's the year cut offs for the different designs?
These are the Design 3 Injectors and are a nice upgrade for all Design 2 19 Lb/Hr Injectors due to their superior Spray Pattern. Direct Retrofit for all '86/'93 Mustang 5.0 GT or LX. Ford Injectors (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mustang-5-0-GT-Bosch-19-lb-hr-Fuel-Injectors-Design-3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33553QQihZ008QQitemZ180042350759QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)
Thats straight off of Ebay.... :nothing: i dont know about superior design
Ok, then that means I'm running Design 3. These are the ones pictures in this thread I believe.
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Something i just thought about as i was thinking out my AFPR... where is the information about our 2.5L injectors size? what fuel pressure was the test done at, because i know the 2.5L runs a low fuel pressure.
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Something i just thought about as i was thinking out my AFPR... where is the information about our 2.5L injectors size? what fuel pressure was the test done at, because i know the 2.5L runs a low fuel pressure.
These are the stock 4.0L injectors; DENSO XL5E-A2A 19lb-Pintle
I believe the 2.5L was something like 17lbs for the YJ. I'll have to double check it with the FSM.
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I bought a set of 4 from skymyke@mindspring.com for $28.00 including shipping. he was seeling them on e-bay. I called and asked for 4. gave me a price and sent an invoice through pay pal. The deal went smooth. He sent his phone # and was good to deal with. I went this way because I did not have to wait for an auction to end and got them sooner. he must deal w/ford stuff because he had design 2 and 3. I went with the design 3.
gas mileage, humm, probably would be better if it my lead foot would stay of the pedal because of the fun response with the injector install. lol
:D
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I picked up a set of 8 at the junkyard today, pulled them out of an early '90s Crown Vic or Marquis. How do I know if they're #2 or #3, and what's the difference?
I can post the numbers of the injector if they mean anything.
Will likely have 4 for sale real soon if anybody is interested.
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Ok, I looked into this some more. It looks like most of the injectors are Design II.
The Design II's have a plastic upper parts on a steel barrel. The Design III's seem to be all plastic. The place I've been talking to doesn't recommend using Design III's in a 2.5L though. I'm not sure other then it might make it too rich. The Design III's are 4 hole spray pattern like the Design II/Ford D5B.
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I think mine did read D5B. Thanks for the info.
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From the picture and the what Jeffey is saying mine were design 2. They are still working great! I am just happy to hear that others are seeing similar response to what I have seen.
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Finished a tank of gas. Haven't noticed any change there. Power is defiantly up around >2700rpm. 3000rpm's holds speed even up grades where it was iffy unless it was held at 4000rpm before.
It's not like doing a gear change but I think it's well worth it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I believe the 2.5L was something like 17lbs for the YJ. I'll have to double check it with the FSM.
Yea but fuel pressure is a factor in determining flow, so if the 17lb injectors in our YJ were tested at the stock YJ 31 PSI fuel pressure (I think thats what the stock is), then when you move it up to 40+ which is what most injectors are used at it means the injectors are larger then 17lb. See what i'm trying to get at? Otherwise if they were tested at the usual 40+psi and are then run at 31 I don't think the injectors would even be big enough to run our motors. 17lb injectors are small, especially for a 2.5L motor.
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I believe the 2.5L was something like 17lbs for the YJ. I'll have to double check it with the FSM.
Yea but fuel pressure is a factor in determining flow, so if the 17lb injectors in our YJ were tested at the stock YJ 31 PSI fuel pressure (I think thats what the stock is), then when you move it up to 40+ which is what most injectors are used at it means the injectors are larger then 17lb. See what i'm trying to get at? Otherwise if they were tested at the usual 40+psi and are then run at 31 I don't think the injectors would even be big enough to run our motors. 17lb injectors are small, especially for a 2.5L motor.
You'll probably also have to look and see what the fuel pressure regulator is set at also since that will also change the pressure at the fuel rail. (YJ) (TJ's have the regulator at the tank) I'll have to look into this. I'm sure the stock YJ injectors are indeed small. Mfg's will typically choke the smaller engines so they do not come too close to the optional engines and to get more emission credits.
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picked up and installed these today. got mine outta 93 crown vic. test drove it, slight difference. good mod for >$30 but not a run out and do it right away. i bet it will be nice heading over the hills though.
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White smoke can mean head gasket, pull your dipstick and see if it smells like coolant. Did it run hot?
did that its all fine. ran the OBDI and found what was up. the last injectors plug doesnt like to stay on the injectoer. it was popping of just enough to throw a code. not sure how i am gonna make a permanent fix for this one.
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OK, I'm bumping this one back to the top since it's come up again.
Anyone know how to test the injectors for flow? I installed the injectors several months ago then took them out to run the stock Denso's for a test. I tried installing the injectors and the jeep runs like crap. It feels like it's running on 3 cylinders. Bogs down really bad when moving. Installed the Denso's and it runs fine again. So I think one of the Fomoco Bosch's bit the big one. I'm not sure which one is DOA though.
I'm also wondering if anyone has tried the Fomoco Bosch Design III. These are 24# I believe and do not have the metal drum for a bottom half. These also have 4 jets but don't look like they use clips to hold them in place.
I've also got an ad, for injectors or someone to go halfs on a ebay set.