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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: zeitlerusmc on October 19, 2006, 11:05:01 AM
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So i know it CAN be done but most shops won't do it without a little cash on the side and a signed discliamer. but my o5 tj won't start unless you depress the clutch so i would have to bypass that, and maybe move it to the e brake that way it won't start unless the e brake is applied? what do you jeepers think????
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So i know it CAN be done but most shops won't do it without a little cash on the side and a signed discliamer. but my o5 tj won't start unless you depress the clutch so i would have to bypass that, and maybe move it to the e brake that way it won't start unless the e brake is applied? what do you jeepers think????
Is a remote starter down there in Pendleton worth the trouble? If so, why not move the safe to the E Brake. You put the E-brake on every time you get out of it anyway right?
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I have been doing mobile electronics for more than 10 years now. I have done many r/s on manual. The clutch is not a problem. I would only use a r/s designed for manual. There is a procedure you have to go throught to put it into " ready mode " every time you leave the jeep.
Whenever i did a manual , i would go over the car very carefully to make sure the ebrake, doorpin worked well. And i would never put on in a jeep or convertible. Too easy for someone to pop it back into gear.
Do what i did this fall. I put in a 1500 watt circulation coolant heater. plugged in for 2 hours and its blowin hot.
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Thats what I said Sd move the clutch over ride to the e brake, And I'm from AZ so this is cold to me, and it gets cold out here in the mornings especially the winter, and they are calling for a very wet winter out here, but most of all I just think its bada$$
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R/S in a jeep is a very bad idea. Not to mention americans will sue, if you look at them funny. I wouldnt do it.
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Well, I believe it's still there. If you look under the dash you should be able to find the plug for the clutch interupt. There should be a dummy plug someplace that allows you to plug it into.
The is a concern while on the trail since you won't be able to start the engine unless the clutch is in. This is a problem when you're on a hill and depressing the clutch could have you rolling backwards too far and then you have to worry about jumping on the throttle afterwards.
I don't think any shop would put an remote starter in an automatic. Way too much liability. Not to mention if the ignition requires a chip, that's an extra key hidden up in the dash for someone to look for.
But since you're in Socal, I can't really feel for ya. It never gets that cold like it does up north. The 2.4L should heat up fairly fast even in winter. I've never had a problem with starts or getting it warmed up. I mean, what are your fellow Marines going to say when they hear about you complaining about a little rain and some chill in the air? :pot: :roflol:
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I'm going to leave that one alone funny guy!!!!! :roll:
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Yes there is a clutch switch, no we dont put a key under the dash. And yes there are overt a million r/s put in every year.
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I'm going to leave that one alone funny guy!!!!! :roll:
Hahah, just poking a little fun at ya. :thumb:
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Yes there is a clutch switch, no we dont put a key under the dash. And yes there are overt a million r/s put in every year.
Yes, I'm going by second hand info. :nothing: So how do you bypass the chip for the ignition. (I'd honestly like to know.) When my friend had one installed into his Dodge, they required one of this keys to mount into a black box which was placed under the dash. Although, I'm not sure if TJ's have the chips in the keys.
Now that I think about it, I think the recommendation I remember seeing for a R/S was for a manual not an auto.
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On older models you could disable the clutch pedal switch by putting a fuse in the fuse box where the fuse for the automatic transmission would be. You might check and see if that is still true!!!
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On older models you could disable the clutch pedal switch by putting a fuse in the fuse box where the fuse for the automatic transmission would be. You might check and see if that is still true!!!
I believe that works from 97-99. Then they got the idea to be able to disconnect the switch. For some reason I'm thinking it's over the tranny hump area. I really don't like the interupt switches. For those who drove before '97, its really annoying since they never had them. But then too many people started with cars in gear and drove through their garages. :shock:
It took me a minute or so to figure out I needed to press the brake before shifting out of Park once. :puzzled: :roflol: Kinda like the first time you hop into a Saab and try to start it...
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There is a bypass module that has the same security chip in it. The car learns the chip. When the r/s is engaged the module is activated and the security signal is sent to the bcm. I doubt the fuse thing would work as it is a switch at the pedal.
ha ha ,... i also drive a saab, people dont know where the key is, i still sometimes reach for the column.
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There is a bypass module that has the same security chip in it. The car learns the chip. When the r/s is engaged the module is activated and the security signal is sent to the bcm. I doubt the fuse thing would work as it is a switch at the pedal.
ha ha ,... i also drive a saab, people dont know where the key is, i still sometimes reach for the column.
Hmm that's interesting. They didn't have that when my friend was getting his R/S installed. That would also help solve some problems with late model swaps like the ODBII 4.3L since those use the chip in the ignition. Ratherbejeepn ended up getting a earlier ODBII PCM to get around it.
I used to move the cars around the shop since I was the only person who knew how to drive stick. I jumped in and sat there like an idiot looking around. Pat the column, then look at everything on the dash... Do the obligatory, "WTF". Then find it and do the "Who the F puts it there".... I'm sure they designed them specifically that way so people who don't own one looks stupid when in them. :roflol:
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Yes there is a clutch switch, no we dont put a key under the dash. And yes there are overt a million r/s put in every year.
lighten up man. this is an info forum people want to learn not be bashed by others when they don't know. jeffy has more info on most things than all of us combined.
dodges have to have a key code programmed in to unlock the "sentury" key function temporarily disabled to use the r/s. i can see if a shop installed the unit may not have access to the dc coding and used a spare key to keep the sentury module happy that is actually very smart thinking.
and by the way, i don't know how you do it but, if you are using a control box that is just cheating the skreem setting in the dodges then you are just hurting your customers because in the long run you are going to cause dtc and prematurely wear out the the skreem module and that is expensive
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Yes there is a clutch switch, no we dont put a key under the dash. And yes there are overt a million r/s put in every year.
lighten up man. this is an info forum people want to learn not be bashed by others when they don't know. jeffy has more info on most things than all of us combined.
dodges have to have a key code programmed in to unlock the "sentury" key function temporarily disabled to use the r/s. i can see if a shop installed the unit may not have access to the dc coding and used a spare key to keep the sentury module happy that is actually very smart thinking.
and by the way, i don't know how you do it but, if you are using a control box that is just cheating the skreem setting in the dodges then you are just hurting your customers because in the long run you are going to cause dtc and prematurely wear out the the skreem module and that is expensive
Well, I didn't take it that serious and since I do not know much about it and that's his job I respect his input even if it was a bit firm. Not to mention I mixed up auto and manual. It did sound like a dumb statement to make. :roll: In any case, it's not that big of a deal.
So lets try to keep on track and not make personal attacks.
I'm still interested in this box that's able to bypass the chip though. How would the module put extra strain on the 'skreem' module? I would think that the PCM would check for the chip only initially when the key is inserted then turn off. Or is the chip on the key running all the time while it's inside the ignition.
I could see a Dealer denying repair if they found the bypass and the Sentury was non-op even if it didn't directly affect the module.
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no worries mate.. sorry for being a bit stern. There is no diffence between starting it with the key or the r/s. Some vehicles dont like to see 2 " keys " 9 one box and one key ) some dont care. Key programming on dodges is very easy. key on, wait till sec light goes out.. remove, 2 nd key on, wait till light goes out... wait 3 more seconds... ding ding sec light flashes, remove key and insert 3rd key... or engage r/s with a 5 second wait to start signal. light goes out, key or box is programmed. There is no added stress to the skim module. it doesnt care.
other vehicle's program different but most of them work the same way.. some have rf chips, some contact resistances in the cylinder, some contact resistance in the key itself. About the hardest car i ever had to do was my own 2006 saab 9-3. I still beleive i am the only one in the world with a r/s in that car...;
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I don't think that I have a whole lot to add to this discussion except for what I am coming to learn as of late.
my dad and I get our kicks from fixing up wrecked jeeps. We are on our 4th jeep right now. Its a 2002 sahara. The problem was that in the accident, the battery tray pretty much busted the PCM in half. So I got us a PCM off of ebay. Now, as the people in this particular thread are probably aware, its not so simple. this vehicle is equiped with the sentry key immobilizer system. My understanding of how this works is there is a key in the PCM, and in the Ignition switch. Then there is a transponder in the key itself. This is why a replacement key costs me 50 bucks from the dealership. Basically what happens now is if you try and start it, it runs for 3 seconds and shuts down. I'm thinking that not all wranglers have the SKIM setup. But my impression would be that a remote start wouldn't work if you had a SKIM equipped jeep, unless you have a spare key close enough to the ignition switch. I think this is what KK was talking about, can't remember.
anyway, I think that from a technical standpoint its more than possible. an experienced car electronics guy can bypass the clutch stuff and install his own safeguards. But its my opinion that its still dangerous. and I don't think that it would really do much for resale. but what do I know.
bottom line: I live in Wisconsin. My frozen tundra heart bleeds for all you chilly socal folk.
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no i just think jeffy likes to act like he knows more than anybody, to be quite honest with you! i think if you called jeffy on half the things he says you will find he is just about dead wrong...... scroll up... case in point!!!!
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no worries mate.. sorry for being a bit stern. There is no diffence between starting it with the key or the r/s. Some vehicles dont like to see 2 " keys " 9 one box and one key ) some dont care. Key programming on dodges is very easy. key on, wait till sec light goes out.. remove, 2 nd key on, wait till light goes out... wait 3 more seconds... ding ding sec light flashes, remove key and insert 3rd key... or engage r/s with a 5 second wait to start signal. light goes out, key or box is programmed. There is no added stress to the skim module. it doesnt care.
i'm not sure exactly what you are tlaking about with dodges or what years you are working on but the vehicle has to be programmed with the key code for all new keys not just put in the ignition. for that matter if you put the code in incorrectley the the car goes into security mode for 3 hours and cannot be started with any key. my point on the skreem or skim module is that they are not supposed to have two keys close to eachother or it can actually cause both to lose programming. i'm not sure what the science in that one is but during the training they are very speific about that. and sorry to sound rude but i don't like to think people are downing eachother in this board. so again i'm not sure exactly what you are working on but according to everything i have info on you can't program that way or at least not on newer vehicles. and also the key is checked constantly not only at startup
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no i just think jeffy likes to act like he knows more than anybody, to be quite honest with you! i think if you called jeffy on half the things he says you will find he is just about dead wrong...... scroll up... case in point!!!!
You didn't read the whole thread did you? :roll: If you want to start a flame war go elsewhere. Thread shitting will not be tolerated.
no worries mate.. sorry for being a bit stern.
No, we're good... :thumb:
I'm still interested in this thread. It's going to come up again, I'm sure and there is some good dialog.
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Thread shitting will not be tolerated.
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i'm not sure exactly what you are tlaking about with dodges or what years you are working on but the vehicle has to be programmed with the key code for all new keys not just put in the ignition. for that matter if you put the code in incorrectley the the car goes into security mode for 3 hours and cannot be started with any key. my point on the skreem or skim module is that they are not supposed to have two keys close to eachother or it can actually cause both to lose programming. i'm not sure what the science in that one is but during the training they are very speific about that. and sorry to sound rude but i don't like to think people are downing eachother in this board. so again i'm not sure exactly what you are working on but according to everything i have info on you can't program that way or at least not on newer vehicles. and also the key is checked constantly not only at startup
I know exactly what i am talking about ... I have been installing remote starter for more than 10 years. I have programmed more Security systems than you have even seen. In the winter i will do 4-6 remote starters a DAY. And that is the way you program SENTRY KEYS....
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Bottom line is i wouldnt put a r/s on a jeep. I wouldnt want any more elctonics in some as poorly sealed as a jeep. I put a coolant heater on my yj for this year. 1500 watts. Plug it in for an hour, and ive got heat.
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I know exactly what i am talking about ... I have been installing remote starter for more than 10 years. I have programmed more Security systems than you have even seen. In the winter i will do 4-6 remote starters a DAY. And that is the way you program SENTRY KEYS....
I don't think anyones doubting that it can be done. I'd like to know more about the specifics though. What's in the box. Have a link to one? Or maybe schmatics? It sounds like the box is dummy chip that is programmed to the PCM like a key. In essence, another key to the PCM.
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I know exactly what i am talking about ... I have been installing remote starter for more than 10 years. I have programmed more Security systems than you have even seen. In the winter i will do 4-6 remote starters a DAY. And that is the way you program SENTRY KEYS....
I don't think anyones doubting that it can be done. I'd like to know more about the specifics though. What's in the box. Have a link to one? Or maybe schmatics? It sounds like the box is dummy chip that is programmed to the PCM like a key. In essence, another key to the PCM.
That exactly what it is.