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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: JeepManMarc on February 19, 2007, 02:27:55 PM
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I was in my local Harbor Freight today and saw they had a few winches on hand. For 299.99 I can get an 8000 pound winch with Roller fairlead, mounting plate etc. I was told that Ramsey, Mile Marker and Harbor Freight are all the same thing, the part numbers do corss reference. What is everyones take on this? Is this a decent winch for the money?
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Extremely slow junk.
If you want a low cost winch, consider this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/10000-LB-Gorilla-Recovery-Winch-Powerful-5-5-HP-NIB_W0QQitemZ200080101641QQihZ010QQcategoryZ43984QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Seems to be made by the same Chinese company making Warns Tabor Series winches. Specs look good.
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Actually the HF/Chicago Electric are unmarked Ramsey 8000's with the old motors. They use permanent magnets to cut power usage and cost. They are ok for someone who won't be using their winch a lot.
That ebay winch looks like the one Milemarker or could be a Ramsey.
If I was going to get a winch, I'd defiantly go with a Tabor. These winches are Warn and use most of the same parts. They lack the name and some of the non-esential parts are been swapped out for cheaper parts. They paint it black and use the slower motors.
This thread might be useful: http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php?topic=476.0
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I'm going to be talking to the Gorilla people, turns out they are local. When you say they are the same as milemarker, sort of. They are the same as the milemarker 10K which is made in the same factories as the T-Max winches (but to different specs),. Neither are anything like a Ramsey.
Ramsey makes the 8K Harbor frieght and other small winches. Having been around several of those winches, they are better than nothing but not by a lot. They tend to crack and pull at about the same speed as a come along.
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I'm going to be talking to the Gorilla people, turns out they are local. When you say they are the same as milemarker, sort of. They are the same as the milemarker 10K which is made in the same factories as the T-Max winches (but to different specs),. Neither are anything like a Ramsey.
Ramsey makes the 8K Harbor frieght and other small winches. Having been around several of those winches, they are better than nothing but not by a lot. They tend to crack and pull at about the same speed as a come along.
Hmm Hangzhou Industries makes Milemarker electric line? I have a friend who broke his T-Max. Basically it exploded inside. I wasn't too impressed.
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how about this..
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/pts/273695974.html
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how about this..
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/pts/273695974.html
That's a gorilla - or whatever winch they are private labelling as gorilla.
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Hmm Hangzhou Industries makes Milemarker electric line? I have a friend who broke his T-Max. Basically it exploded inside. I wasn't too impressed.
The MM E12000 is a private labeled T-MAX, made in the T-MAX factory in China. No T-MAX are copies of the MM and are no lawsuits or hints of any.
The design and engineering process for the T-MAX started 5 years ago in Australia, and has been on the market in Australia for 3 years. After stringent testing and further design upgrades, T-MAX was just introduced the U.S. in January '04.
T-MAX is geared up to be around for long time. The new T-MAX facility in China will open in June '05 and be QS 9000 approved. There are integrated units slated for the spring and a constant stream of innovative accessories scheduled for the upcoming months. 2005 preview will be at SEMA. If you have the capability, I urge you to come visit our booth and watch for press releases.
Please call or email if you like.
Hans Frohreich
Sales & Marketing Manager, T-MAX Winches
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272208&highlight=t-max
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249602&highlight=winch+specs
Personally I prefer an 8274, but not on a dual purpose rig.
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The MM E12000 is a private labeled T-MAX, made in the T-MAX factory in China. No T-MAX are copies of the MM and are no lawsuits or hints of any.
The design and engineering process for the T-MAX started 5 years ago in Australia, and has been on the market in Australia for 3 years. After stringent testing and further design upgrades, T-MAX was just introduced the U.S. in January '04.
T-MAX is geared up to be around for long time. The new T-MAX facility in China will open in June '05 and be QS 9000 approved. There are integrated units slated for the spring and a constant stream of innovative accessories scheduled for the upcoming months. 2005 preview will be at SEMA. If you have the capability, I urge you to come visit our booth and watch for press releases.
Please call or email if you like.
Hans Frohreich
Sales & Marketing Manager, T-MAX Winches
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272208&highlight=t-max
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249602&highlight=winch+specs
Personally I prefer an 8274, but not on a dual purpose rig.
Hmm, interesting. I knew Milemarker didn't make their own winches but never looked into who actually made them. T-Max is aka: Hangzhou Industries has a website at http://www.tmaxtools.com. They pulled some of it since they want you to think it's made in China and to go to the regional website.
chardrc, that winch is made by China Ningbo Yinzhou Dongfeng Power Tool Factory, I believe.
I really like the Warn M8000. With some searching it can be found for under $500. It's been made almost as long the a 8274. The slimmer design makes it better suited for a dual purpose. It still doesn't have all of the bells and whistles of the XD series.
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chardrc, that winch is made by China Ningbo Yinzhou Dongfeng Power Tool Factory, I believe.
Which seems to be these guys, and that certainly does look like the winch that Gorrilla is selling.
http://www.cnwinch.com/electric_winch_df12000s1.htm
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I have the HF9000# and I disagree with the "Junk" statement. I have had it for a year or so and used it half dozen times and had zero problems. Is it slow? Yes, a little but who cares for 299.00?
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Which seems to be these guys, and that certainly does look like the winch that Gorrilla is selling.
http://www.cnwinch.com/electric_winch_df12000s1.htm
Harbor Frieght winches are made in China factory, which means low quality & price
A lot of the off brand winches are just rebranding another companies winch too. i.e. China Ningbo Yinzhou Dongfeng Power Tool Factory
I would rather pay more money to Warn for higher credit. Although, Warn has some parts produced in other countries.
If you go http://www.wongs.cn , you will find the original parts manufacturer of Warn. Their recovery gears sold in American markets, but end users pay more for credit. As the brand name is Warn, MM or Viking, but Wongs.
Yeah, There is a reason Warn and other top names cost more.
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Fer whut it's worth- A good friend of mine toasted his Harbor Fright 8000 lb. winch the first time he used it, then had some warranty problems. Eventually, it was all straightened out ,and he got a replacement motor. Supposedly, it's a reverse-engineered copy of the Ramsey. Ramsey winches are, I'm pretty certain, made in the USA. If not, then they violated some federal laws about truth in labeling, 'cause mine says "Made in USA", and that is one of the reasons I bought it. The Horrible Fright winch does draw a lot of amps; you may want to invest in a dual battery setup and a higher output alternator if you're going to do much winching. Good Luck with it, you may need it!
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The Horrible Fright winch does draw a lot of amps; you may want to invest in a dual battery setup and a higher output alternator if you're going to do much winching. Good Luck with it, you may need it!
Where did this info come from? I have seen just the opposite.
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Where did this info come from? I have seen just the opposite.
CF ITEM 40764-3VGA
(http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/40700-40799/40764.gif)
4.1 Horsepower
* Three-stage planetary gear system for fast line speed and sure hold
* Freespooling
* Automatic load-holding brake
* Power in/out
* Remote hand control switch with 12 ft. cord
* Fairlead: 11-3/4" L x 3-5/16" W x 1" deep
* Line speed (in feet per minute): 13 (no load), 11 (2000 lbs.), 6 (6000 lbs.), 4.5 (8000 lbs.)
12 volts, 4.1 HP, 37.5 amp draw; Drum diameter: 2.5"; Gear ratio: 210:1; Cable: 5/16" x 95 ft.; Overall dimensions: 20-11/16" L x 3-1/8" W x 6-15/16" H; Bolt pattern: 10" x 4.5"
Shipping weight: 106 lbs.
I know the old winch used to be the old Ramsey REP8000 but I'm not sure if this is the case anymore. The REP8000 now has a Series wound motor for the 12V rather then the Permanent magnet it used ot have. Perhaps the company that was making the CF upgraded it.
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Lol you guys just Osama Bin Laden'd this post!!!
JK JK...
But anywho the harbor frieght winch really is a low end winch. My friend bought one for his XJ, and he burnt it up the first time it was used to pull him out of a small mud hole. Save the money, and buy a Mile Marker, Ramsey or Warn. I've had nothing but the best from these three winches.
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I got to tell you, after being in the manufacturing industry for 30 years,
there is a reason those China winches are cheeper.
It's not just the labor costs.
They are very good at taking cost out of a product at the risk of quality.
I myself have seen more U.S.A. made products lost to China only to
come back becuase of quality.
It all comes down to how commited the U.S. company is to manufacturing in China.
If they think all they have to do is send over some blue prints and a good
product will delivered, they will be surprised.
It takes alot of micro management from our side to ensure quality.
So much so that to ensure thier quality repretation they can spend more
money than it is worth going to China in the first place.
I personally would never buy a cheep imatation of the real thing,
you will be disappointed every time.
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x2 on that... there is a 5-7 year cycle of when stuff gets sent to china / India to when the company gives up and brings the work back stateside... the quality and consistency lacks...
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I don't have an electric winch, but I am planning on one in the future. I have a J-Rations magazine with an article reprinted from MoabJeeper magazine. The guys did torture tests on the following winches: Bulldog, Superwinch EPi9.0, Chicago Electric, T-Max, Ramsey, Mile Marker, and Warn 9.5xp. Only three winches survived the tests: Superwinch, Chicago Electric, and Warn. The Warn was the best of the bunch, with the fastest line speed and longest duty cycle. The Chicago Electric was very slow and near death at the end of the tests. The Superwinch was almost as good as the Warn for a lot less money. The problem with tests like these is you don't know who's the big sponsor, or how controlled the experiments really were.
I think most folks will agree that Warn is the best in the business. Warn has a lifetime warranty on mechanical parts and one year on electrical. I'm going to take a look at the Superwinch before I decide (one year electrical and mechanical). Most of the Chinese winches (not wenches) have a 90 day warranty. Like most things, it seems that you get what you pay for...
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http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/general/listing.cfm?articleID=353
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The Horrible Fright winch does draw a lot of amps; you may want to invest in a dual battery setup and a higher output alternator if you're going to do much winching.
The reason I ask is the above article said the opposite....
The Chicago Electric also had the lowest current draw on every obstacle. The low draw makes this winch ideal for a stock battery and charging system
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interesting to see all the inside info about who makes what and what is basically the bastard son of what,
on my side of it i will not disagree with warn being on top but lots of other companies are making descent products, just depends on how much you use it, i wheel somewhat regularly and have had a mm8k for several years with no problem, is kinda slower though, but not enough to make me upset
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I am thinking about getting a superwinch myself when I do make the investment. Maybe not as good as a Warn (although the article proved it was just as reliable under those conditions), but still a good winch at a more affordable price. I'll probably go with the EP9000, but that is yet to be decided...
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I got one the Warn 8000# ones when they were going for the $579 or whatever, i was going to buy a nicer one but as my buddy put it, its not something you use all the time, and the others may pull you out a lil quicker, but as long as it gets you out thats all that matters. He said he ran that Harbour Freight one for a year or two, then ran in to a guy going through a divorce and needin to get rid of jeep stuff and bought an 8000# Ramsey for $150
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I bought my Warn 8000M for $429 years ago. It was a really good deal. If I was buying one today, I'd probably go with the off-brand Tabor 9000.
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they have warn #8000 for 541.00 delv
http://www.winchdepot.com/parts/warn/winches.aspx
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wow that allot cheaper than at 4wd hardware... or quadratech..
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thats a good deal, I just went down to 4WP and picked it up and it was 569 plus another 40 bucks in sales tax
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I wonder which is a better deal; that warn or this superwinch:
http://www.winchdepot.com/prodDetail.aspx?partNo=SWI09032
Felipe
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I. don't think you can go wrong with that winche either, Me and my buddies were winching some old trees up a hill to block off some illegal trails and My warn held up very well and so did the superwinch. They had the model you are looking at and it has very good pulling power and speed. So did my Warn though, got that puppy hot as hell but kept going at it