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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: exiledshadow27 on April 09, 2007, 08:22:13 AM
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i was thinkin about upgrading my exhaust and i was wondering which muffler would be best. i just dont want it to sound like a ricer....
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best keep it stock then maybe add a header and be done they all sound ricer
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I like my Borla. It doesn't sound like rice. Flowmaster was way too loud for my taste.
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how about dynomax? i heard they werent too loud but have a nice rumble..
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how about dynomax? i heard they werent too loud but have a nice rumble..
I don't know DynoMax that well. They have three Mufflers in their line though.
MagnaFlow, Gibson, Borla & Banks are all pretty good and have decent warranties. I'd get a good muffler so you're not having to do it over again in a few months/years. I also recommend going with a bolt-on cat back system. If something breaks on the trail or off, it will be easier for you to disconnect the broken part and replace it. You won't have to hack apart your exhaust.
I've replaced my muffler 4 times now. Stock, Flowmaster and I'm on my second Borla.
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best keep it stock then maybe add a header and be done they all sound ricer
I use the stainless Borla Cat-Back (no header) and it sounds ok (it may be a little loud, but its no FlowMaster) :lol:
The Dynomax cat-back, non-stainless, is ok. I've used that and it seemed a bit louder than the Borla I am using. But, it didn't last!
That idea about using a header and keeping the stock exhaust may be something
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I've got a flowmaster delta 60 on mine. Sounds pretty good and not too loud. Definitely nothing like the Flowmaster 40's I had on the last jeep.
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Sorry to stereotype the Flowmaster. :lol: Newer versions are probably just fine
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I have the Dynomax and a performance cat....
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WLK%2D17309&N=700+4294908280+4294907384+4294924755+4294923429+4294869671+115&autoview=sku (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=WLK%2D17309&N=700+4294908280+4294907384+4294924755+4294923429+4294869671+115&autoview=sku)
It does not sound ricey... I double checked with a few buddies to make sure...
I got it because it was cheap. You are not going to get any major HP improvements, but it does to to rev out a little faster.
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my jeep sounds decent with the header and stock exhaust, its aftermrket stock so its still 2.5" pipe, not stock 2.25" ill get a sound clip of it reving for you guys sometime soon.
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i have the banks exhaust and i have to say at high rpm's 3000+ it just starts to rice out and is ear piercing almost, but other than that, a nice rumble when its idle
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The Dynomax cat-back, non-stainless, is ok. I've used that and it seemed a bit louder than the Borla I am using. But, it didn't last!
And the Borla is straight-through, too. I'm still trying to figure that one out. Must be the baffling material Borla uses - extra dense stainless steel brillo pads :lol: WOT though, the Borla is loud. I sometimes go WOT on On-Ramps and people already going 65 on the highway move over to make way for the "champ car" they hear about to merge.
Frankly, the Borla is livable and durable and looks good, too. So I am sticking with it.
But, I could handle a muffler that gave the better flow and allowed you to wind out the 4Banger in the 3000-4500rpm range without waking the dead/rustling the cops in urban areas. I know they make mufflers like that for car like the ford focus, etc.
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My exhaust got a lot quieter when I switched ignitions. It was really interesting at higher RPM's. The exhaust would be be almost unbearable at 4000rpm. The noise would resonate inside the hardtop. Now it's fairly quiet. My original Borla had a S bend between the input and output. The replacement has a very shallow curve. I can see straight through it, actually. I think my exhaust is loudest around 3500-3700 then smooths out around 4000 a bit. it's still not as loud as my Jeep was with the old Flowmaster or muffler less...
I should mention that Poly engine mounts aren't too kind on exhausts. My current Borla is missing both hangers. I have the muffler being held up by the car and the dampener at the skid and I have a bracket holding the tip in place. I haven't bothered to get it replaced since it still works fine. :lol:
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DO NOT go with Magnaflow cat back and Pacesetter Headers, sound like sh*t.
I'll be looking to swap mine out with something else later.
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Hey my Flowmaster (dont know which one it is) sounds nice. But maybe its because im a young punk and don't mind :lol:
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wheeling video, but you can hear my exhaust in it
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2022340976
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wheres your myspace link?
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My exhaust needs to be replaced and I was going to do the Banks header, high flow Cat from Quadratec, a Flowmaster Hushpower II muffler with a tailpipie made by the local exhaust shop.
Has anybody done this setup before?
Anybody use the Hushpower on the 4 banger?
And lastly would there be significant gains between 2.25" and 2.5" muffler and tailpipe - tonal and performance?
thanks
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My exhaust needs to be replaced and I was going to do the Banks header, high flow Cat from Quadratec, a Flowmaster Hushpower II muffler with a tailpipie made by the local exhaust shop.
Has anybody done this setup before?
Anybody use the Hushpower on the 4 banger?
And lastly would there be significant gains between 2.25" and 2.5" muffler and tailpipe - tonal and performance?
thanks
I'd save your money on the Random Tech Cat and buy a Carsound Hi-flow fat at half the cost. I don't really like Flowmaster but that's personal preference. (non-stainless steel construction and bad QC) Make sure the pipe is mandrel bent otherwise you'll get kinks galore which will reduce flow and power. I'd stick with 2.25" to keep the low-end torque up. Otherwise, you'll notice a significant drop in torque down there. If you're going with a Banks header, why not just go with a banks cat-back to compliment it. Since they were developed together, they are more then likely tuned to work with each other.
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Quick Question since we're on the exhaust topic:
I'm currently thinking of swapping out my stock exhaust to something better, the reason being performance. I'm also planning on changing to a cold air intake (AEM Brute force intake- and eventually a stage 1 jet chip) as well so I want the two to work well together. I'm looking at a Borla catback system from 4wheel drive hardware (the only one they list for the 2.5L) Does anyone see any problems with this or have any suggestions? Honestly I just want quality and the best performance out it.
By the way how much difference will a high flow cat or headers (suggestions?) make in performance gains in addition to the catback system?
Thanks and yes I am a bit new at this but very interested!
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Quick Question since we're on the exhaust topic:
I'm currently thinking of swapping out my stock exhaust to something better, the reason being performance. I'm also planning on changing to a cold air intake (AEM Brute force intake- and eventually a stage 1 jet chip) as well so I want the two to work well together. I'm looking at a Borla catback system from 4wheel drive hardware (the only one they list for the 2.5L) Does anyone see any problems with this or have any suggestions? Honestly I just want quality and the best performance out it.
By the way how much difference will a high flow cat or headers (suggestions?) make in performance gains in addition to the catback system?
Thanks and yes I am a bit new at this but very interested!
I like my Borla. It's basically a straight shot through the muffler. It's fairly quiet until you romp it. Although, I can recognize my Jeeps sound easily. You should notice the engine will feel less blacked up and should have a bit more power in the mod and high RPM. A true CAI will probably drop the low-end and free up more power up high. I noticed a big enough difference that I went back to a stock setup since I wanted to tune it for more lower RPM's. Make sure you get a true CAI which routes the filter far away and has shielding to keep out the hot air. Cheaper setups that claim to be open element but use a short tub end up sucking in warm engine air which defeats the purpose of going with a CAI.
I also have a Performance cat from Carsound/Magnaflow. I think it's a good combination with the Borla. The Carsound is less then half the size of the stock cat which is really nice. My cat only had .5" space between it and the transfer case.
A header should help a bit more on the mid-higher RPM's as well. I haven't done this since I'd really like to go with a long header and not a shorty. Longer setups produce more torque then shorter setups. The only long pipe set up is the Clifford and the Pacesetter. Both the Borla and the Banks are shorter setups. I think they're supposed to be Tri-Y's. Might be good to go with all one company on the cat-back and header if you're going to go that route.
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If you want big, day-to-day horsepower on a 4banger you are going to have to go with forced-induction or a some kind of stroker job. I'd personally opt for bolt-on, forced induction, since I am no where near close to being an engine builder. If you want power on your 4banger just to compensate for big tires, it sounds like regearing is the smart, though less exciting option.
I do use the Borla cat-back and its been a good product for me.
But does an exhaust or CAI or any of that stuff give you big smiles like some turbo or supercharged car/trucks on acceleration? Nah. :'( It does sound cool though (which is a nice bonus if you install them on a V8). Frankly I think the bang for the buck on most of the non-forced induction modifications sold for Jeeps, 4 or 6cyl, is pretty weak. But if your stock stuff wears out, why not, right?
The header/exhaust manifold biz is kind of difficult to pin down. Stock manifold is ok for torque but horsepower potential is effected. Seems like the Borla and Banks headers (short tube) provide more horsepower than the stock manifold; but since the tubing on these headers is obviously longer than on the stock manifold, you'd think torque would improve significantly running these versus stock. Maybe Borla and Banks are underrated for torque improvements?
Then you get in to long-tube headers -- does torque and hp improve across the rev range, 1000-5000rpm -- versus stock? Horsepower for sure. But, Torque? Maybe it does because the exhaust has further to travel? Hard to say.
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I agree with what Chris was sayng. whether you spend 500 dollars on a name brand catback exhaust or 200 dollars on a muffler shop exhaust you really won't feel much of a difference. You may be talking a difference of 1 or 2 horsepower. If you can justify spending the extra money for that then by all means do it. I, however, will save my money and stick to my flowmaster welded into my stock piping. But hey,thats me
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I currently have the banks header and the flowmaster original forty, I have not yet touched my air intake yet since my parts will prob come tomorrow....the banks header is certianly a nice piece... together they are quite loud, i will venture to say that almost every one here would say its too loud for them..I am hoping to get some performance out of the setup when my cold air goes on with the 4.0 TB..
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ok well the whole header and stock exhuast no cat was a good idea till the back pressure blew out my muffler now my jeep is just LOUD. i needa put a cat back on it lol. i can be heard from not a mile but a very good distance away.
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your lack of a cat didn't blow out your muffler's insides.....
don't waste your money on mandrel exhaust piping... it's a jeep for god's sake.. it's slow and with the 4 angry quirrels it will always be slow. no sense in dumping/wasting money on a $500+ exhaust when the stock piping is PLENTY big to carry your fumes to the rear "bumper."
i like my borla header but almost anything is better than stock. the "new" banks is supposed to be real nice...
a high flow cat is cool for those of you who care about killing our grandchildren's air (if you don't have a cat you can't smash it on a rock now can you?).....
assuming you actually use your jeep, you will probably smash your muffler on a rock in the next two years go ahead and get the $20 universal turbo muffler from autozone or advance auto... it's cheap, has a warranty, and it sounds just a bit louder than stock... not like a honda, and not like a v6 rustang with glasspacks... or redneck it up and get a used borla, flowmaster, etc from billy bob at the flea market....
you shoudl call your local redneck shithole exhaust shop to get a price on having an entire exhaust built for you... then get a price on welding up a new muffler and possibly cat... sometimes it's not worth the few bucks you save on parts to get it elsewhere and have the muffler shop install it. or... buy some exhaust clamps (they were good enough to use fromt he factory, they're good enough to use now) and sawzall your old shit off, clamp on the new shit, and go cruise santa monica blvd for hookers and crack heads :)
-Erik <--- wishes to remind you all that a chrome exhaust won't get you home :blbl:
PS- don't be "that guy" and run dual exhausts. k thanks bye :)
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^ +1 on the Karma Counter for that one. ^
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-Erik <--- wishes to remind you all that a chrome exhaust won't get you home :blbl:
Their are a lot of guys in my area running chrome on every available spot on their Jeeps. It makes me sick.
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I am currently running 2.25 pipe back to a 2.5 Flowmaster and a 2.5 side pipe on a carbed 4 banger cherokee with no cat. It is ungodly loud but it seemed to help in the high RPM range, and it is kind of an interesting sound.
I have another 4cyl. cherokee with a knocked out cat, stock front pipe, Cherry Bomb turbo muffler, and a 2.5 madrel bent Dynomax tail pipe. This one is really quiet but would prolly work really nice with a header.
We used to own a 4 cyl. wrangler that had a borla stainless header, after market cat, and a Borla stainless cat back. That sounded really good and really seemed to wake up the four cylinder. It was also probably the best fitting exhaust I ever installed.
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I am currently running 2.25 pipe back to a 2.5 Flowmaster and a 2.5 side pipe on a carbed 4 banger cherokee with no cat. It is ungodly loud but it seemed to help in the high RPM range, and it is kind of an interesting sound.
I have another 4cyl. cherokee with a knocked out cat, stock front pipe, Cherry Bomb turbo muffler, and a 2.5 madrel bent Dynomax tail pipe. This one is really quiet but would prolly work really nice with a header.
We used to own a 4 cyl. wrangler that had a borla stainless header, after market cat, and a Borla stainless cat back. That sounded really good and really seemed to wake up the four cylinder. It was also probably the best fitting exhaust I ever installed.
My finding concur with his. It is really noticable when I cracked my borla with a 3" tear. It allowed me a bit more power at the top end >2.7K RPM but I did lose some low-end as a result. (this is similarly to what I noticed with a CAI then went back to the airbox, too.)
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A few months after I paid off my Jeep, my muffler blew up. I'd been having ignition coil problems, and some (well, probably a lot) unburned fuel must have made it out my exhaust ports. I was turning into my street with my wife in the passenger seat when there was a huge BANG like a high powered rifle. Lucky she was strapped in or she might have ripped the soft top off she jumped so hard. It was so hilarious, she was freaking out. I could hear my now insanely loud exhaust so I knew what happened, but I just started laughing my fool head off. I still remember the look on her face. "What the heck was that? And what the f*** are you laughing at??!!" Next day my dad took it to the local redneck [censored] exhaust shop and had them weld on a $20 cherry bomb glasspack with the stock tailpipe. Love the sound and it pi**es the ricers off when I rev it and drown out their awful exhaust noise.
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I think flowmaster is the best for the 4banger, it reduced my back pressure and sounds nice for a 21 year old punk like me.
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I think flowmaster is the best for the 4banger, it reduced my back pressure and sounds nice for a 21 year old punk like me.
:thumb:
Free up the exhaust too much and you'll lose low-end torque for high end horse power.
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My exhaust got a lot quieter when I switched ignitions.
Interesting. I would find that hard to believe, but I switched to a Performance Distributors ignitions set up (thanks to you) and my exhaust is considerably quieter also. I thought I was just loosing my hearing. :lol:
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Interesting. I would find that hard to believe, but I switched to a Performance Distributors ignitions set up (thanks to you) and my exhaust is considerably quieter also. I thought I was just loosing my hearing. :lol:
I think it's probably just running smooth with less puffs and barks.
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Have a flowmaster single in dual out. Been on for about 4 years so don't remember the model, but was from their quietest line at the time. It's on a comanche and I have turned down tips so it has a nice healthy sound since the sound resonates off the ground. People are surprised its a 4 banger. Before adding some insulation behind the seat on back of cab, the echo from the bed that has a tonneau cover was too loud in the cab. Much better now.
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This is a dynomax on a 2.5 that I found.
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Dose anybody have a sound clip of how a flowmaster 40 sounds on a 2.5?
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I just recently replaced the entire ezhaust on my 1997 TJ. I installed the Banks Header, added a Magnaflow CarSound Cat with Front Pipe, Walker Muffler and Tailpipe and replaced both O2 Sensors. Everything seems to work well, I went with the Walker as a short-term fix since I am planning on replacing the muffler with a better unit after I upgrade to a RE 3.5 SF this spring.
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the exhaust on mine is a replica stock that the old owner had installed after the first muffler blew out and it was so loud that it was heard inside buildings. but i think the current muffler has some damage to it cuz its louder than stock. but i kinda like the sound and there have been a hand full of times that i got a ricer next to me to think that my jeep is way faster than there car (they said it not me).. keep i mind i did this when im in the turn lane so that that don't get to see how much of a dog it is.
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i like the sound of my Dynomax, my wife isn't a fan of it when it wakes her up in the morning :thumbsup:
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I think that my Flowmaster 60 is too loud. I find that the older I get, the quieter I want my exhaust.
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Looks like I might be on my 4th muffler. This time I'm trying to get the whole cat-back replaced under warranty. My exhaust is missing all of the hangers and not only that but after the rear makeshift hanger I made loosened, the exhaust decided to break off the frame mounted hanger as well. So, I emailed Borla. I'm hoping to get something back from them next week. Then I've got to get someone to weld the stock bracket back together. Even having to replace parts of my exhaust, it still beats having to shell out $3-400 each time. I do have to ship back the broken parts but that's under $20. I've had my Borla since 1996.