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Title: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: 95wranglerYJ on April 11, 2007, 09:14:59 PM
Hey guys ive searched this topic and really havent found an answer...i have a 95' YJ 2.5L , everything is just about stock except for a TB spacer, and a ACCEL high output coil and 8mm wires and a flowmaster exhaust ,

I failed the NOX PPM

25/25 :  Allowed - (1163)   My reading (1400)

50/15 : Allowed (1273)  My reading (1540)

(1 month prior to the test ) I replaced the plugs, cap and rotor and button, cat converter, and there is only one O2 Sensor i replaced that also.. and the is no EGR system... Any Suggestions ? :puzzled:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: neale_rs on April 12, 2007, 09:17:20 AM
First, was it fully warmed up when you took it in?  Second, no way to be sure but it may have to do with the new cat, there are several types .  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter  and http://www.importtuner.com/features/0610impp_catalytic_converter_removal/index1.html
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: 95wranglerYJ on April 12, 2007, 11:42:21 AM
Im not sure what type it is, i just bought it going by my make-model-engine size ... i know its a WALKER brand. I read somewhere that the Airraid TB spacer might have something to do with it??
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: Jeffy on April 12, 2007, 03:02:41 PM
Did they give you a print out of the whole range of gases?  What's the whole range?  Was there anything else it was high on?  I doubt it's the TBS unless you were border line to begin with.

First have you checked to see if there were any CEL codes stored in the PCM?  Have you checked the CCV?  That gets clogged easily.  Depending on what the other reading are you could have a number of things.  Low fuel pump pressure, partially plugged injectors, a vacuum leak, or defective O2, MAP, ECT, or IAT sensors. A lean air-fuel ratio causes high NOx, high HC, high O2, and low CO and CO2.  Also a Bad thermostat or improper one could cause similar problems.
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: damon54 on April 12, 2007, 09:06:58 PM
Move to Florida.  No vehicle inspections here.
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: Jeffy on April 12, 2007, 09:39:16 PM
Move to Florida.  No vehicle inspections here.

Yet...
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: damon54 on April 13, 2007, 05:38:02 AM
Easy now. 
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: oldjeep on April 13, 2007, 07:14:26 AM
Move to Florida.  No vehicle inspections here.

Or MN.   We had vehicle inspections for a few years before they figured out that most cars that are running bad enough to not pass emmissions get killed by the winters here.
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: jcsanders79 on April 13, 2007, 07:56:39 AM
Just go back with an extra twenty for someone :naughty:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: chardrc on April 13, 2007, 05:16:55 PM
Move to Florida.  No vehicle inspections here.

Or MN.   We had vehicle inspections for a few years before they figured out that most cars that are running bad enough to not pass emmissions get killed by the winters here.

ow emissions testing.. i remember my dads friends cj7 with the 4.2l 6cly couldn't pass the test unless we made it run like shit. this was when i was like 10 so i don't remember what my dad did to make it pass but it seemed weird having to make a car run bad to pass... glad we dont have to do that anymore though.
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: jeepheap on April 13, 2007, 06:12:11 PM
race fuel. get some high octane in a almost empty tank and beat it on the highway before you go in. delaware has some of the hardest standards for emissions and i haven't seen that not work on anything that wasn't really on its last legs. hell i even know of a guy who was running on 7 cyl in a 302 bronco and still passed doing that. just saying.... :naughty:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: 95wranglerYJ on April 15, 2007, 05:21:30 PM
Here are the full gas readings
25/25 TEST
HC PPM : My reading - 67    Allowed- 180  - pass
CO% : My reading - 0.55  Allowed - 2.03  - pass
NOx ppm : My reading - 1162  Allowed - 1163 - fail

50/15 test
HC PPM : My reading - 42   Allowed - 185 -pass
CO%:  My reading -0.48  Allowed - 1.57 - pass
NOx PPM: My reading - 1396  Allowed -1273 - fail

TB spacer?
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: jeepheap on April 16, 2007, 08:52:00 AM
your really close. ok stupid question time... did you warm it up before you went in? (ie: highdrive it for a half hour first to blow everything out) second, have you changed your plugs lately? if not try platminums or the e3's. they have a good burn, cost more but will clear up some of the carbon build up. third and really have you tried some high test gas? race fuel will work but if you have new plugs and run a higher octane it will burn hotter clearing stuff out, if you highway it before emissions testing.

delaware is really one of the hardest states for inspection because of all the factories here we have to cut down on carbon output some how, so get rid of the poorly matian cars and older cars on the road. put the cost on consumers noit the state. the joys of living in a tax free state. they get you going not coming.

but, back on topic, have you done all that?
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: 95wranglerYJ on April 16, 2007, 02:56:38 PM
I actually changed the plugs today... they were about 3 months old.... and all 4 of the were dark/redish brown....im not buring any coolant , or oil i know for sure.... i put Champion Platinums in it today, and fill the tank half way with 93 octane , and put 2 bottles of 104 octane booster in it......
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: 95wranglerYJ on April 16, 2007, 04:45:02 PM
Whelp changing the plugs and fuel filter worked, passed with fly colors  :dance:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: chardrc on April 16, 2007, 05:09:45 PM
sweet. congrats... :beers:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: jcsanders79 on April 16, 2007, 05:47:37 PM
See the State just wanted to help you improve your Jeep :whistle:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: lanulos89 on April 16, 2007, 06:22:59 PM
sweeet :clap:  now go out  :weee:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: jeepheap on April 17, 2007, 05:19:19 AM
congrats! :thumbsup: hope i helped and if not at least you got through!
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: 95wranglerYJ on April 18, 2007, 09:43:50 PM
Well heap i actually read your post and got to thinking   :puzzled:(watch out) ... theres no EGR system, and i just replaced the ONLY O2 sensor on the thing, and replaced the cat converter.... so really the only options i had left were the plugs/ignition system..... and someone posted earlier about a low output fuel pump or something... so i replaced the fuel filter, ran the thing out of gas and put a couple gallons of 93 octane in it and like 3 bottles of 104 octane booster  :weee: and it pass with really good numbers ( surprisingly  )

25/25 Test
Nox ppm - My reading old reading - 1400 ; New reading - 896 : Allowed - 1163

50/15 Test
Nox ppm - My old reading - 1540 : New reading - 1080 : Allowed - 1273


WHOOOHOOO!
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: jeepheap on April 19, 2007, 12:23:19 PM
well either way its good. im use to dealing withthat stuff here in delaware.

try getting a 74 duster with a crossover, illegal in delaware, changed from a 6 to a 360, no cats or pumps, and glasspacks through. i have.

congrats dude.
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: 95wranglerYJ on April 29, 2007, 06:23:51 PM
Ahh, i just bought a 1977 Scottsdale pickup with a aluminum block 454 CI , 4 speed granny on the floor, 3/4 ton running gears, straight axles front and rear extremely powerful, yet it sucks (literally) on gas  :'(... 8-10 mpg but its also around 450hp all motor  :dance:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: jeepheap on May 01, 2007, 09:42:18 AM
donor for a swap? :pot:
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: neale_rs on May 02, 2007, 09:47:00 AM
A Yj with 3/4 ton running gear would be awsome!
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: 95wranglerYJ on May 04, 2007, 09:06:14 PM
LOL, man if i had this 454 with these running gears in a YJ, WOW
Title: Re: 95' 2.5L YJ Failed NOX PPM
Post by: jeepheap on May 07, 2007, 06:20:07 AM
it can be done... oh yes it can be done... :rtfm: need help?