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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: gomi on January 16, 2008, 09:22:06 AM
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Well, I was at my parent's house yesterday when my dad's friend stopped buy in his JK. Took it for drive and must say I was quite surprised at how much of a difference it was compared to a TJ. Perhaps it may be the newness of it as the rattles have not started yet, but it definatley rode more like an suv than a jeep. Pretty nice though, it was a Sahara unlimited, had 765 miles on it and he already put a plow on her :confused:
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Well, I was at my parent's house yesterday when my dad's friend stopped buy in his JK. Took it for drive and must say I was quite surprised at how much of a difference it was compared to a TJ. Perhaps it may be the newness of it as the rattles have not started yet, but it definatley rode more like an suv than a jeep. Pretty nice though, it was a Sahara unlimited, had 765 miles on it and he already put a plow on her :confused:
I like them BUT if I was to get one I'd be looking at the 4dr. I'd hate to sell my Jeep though. Too much money, and time put into it. Not to mention it was my first 'car'.
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unlimited is the 4door :stick:.... we got a Rubicon unlimited and id agree that it rides more like a suv than a jeep. but then again we bought it for driving in the cities through the salt in the winter and collecting miles so that our off road Rubicon doesn't got worn out too fast.
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unlimited is the 4door :stick:.... we got a Rubicon unlimited and id agree that it rides more like a suv than a jeep. but then again we bought it for driving in the cities through the salt in the winter and collecting miles so that our off road Rubicon doesn't got worn out too fast.
How many Jeeps do you have?
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unlimited is the 4door :stick:.... we got a Rubicon unlimited and id agree that it rides more like a suv than a jeep. but then again we bought it for driving in the cities through the salt in the winter and collecting miles so that our off road Rubicon doesn't got worn out too fast.
How many Jeeps do you have?
most would say too many.. we have
cj2a (no motor in it but 4.3lv6 in garage waiting for time to install)
49 cj3a
90 yj (mine)
97 grand Cherokee
2003 grand cherokee
2006 tj rubicon
2008 jk rubicon unlimited
so 7 for a 4person family. almost a 2 to 1 ratio.... we got the jeep disease pretty bad.
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unlimited is the 4door :stick:.... we got a Rubicon unlimited and id agree that it rides more like a suv than a jeep. but then again we bought it for driving in the cities through the salt in the winter and collecting miles so that our off road Rubicon doesn't got worn out too fast.
How many Jeeps do you have?
most would say too many.. we have
cj2a (no motor in it but 4.3lv6 in garage waiting for time to install)
49 cj3a
90 yj (mine)
97 grand Cherokee
2003 grand cherokee
2006 tj rubicon
2008 jk rubicon unlimited
so 7 for a 4person family. almost a 2 to 1 ratio.... we got the jeep disease pretty bad.
You can never have to many Jeeps! Thats pretty cool though man
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most would say too many.. we have
cj2a (no motor in it but 4.3lv6 in garage waiting for time to install)
49 cj3a
90 yj (mine)
97 grand Cherokee
2003 grand cherokee
2006 tj rubicon
2008 jk rubicon unlimited
so 7 for a 4person family. almost a 2 to 1 ratio.... we got the jeep disease pretty bad.
You could have your own "Camp Jeep" !! Plenty of loaner vehicles!! :dance: LOL
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most would say too many.. we have
cj2a (no motor in it but 4.3lv6 in garage waiting for time to install)
49 cj3a
90 yj (mine)
97 grand Cherokee
2003 grand cherokee
2006 tj rubicon
2008 jk rubicon unlimited
so 7 for a 4person family. almost a 2 to 1 ratio.... we got the jeep disease pretty bad.
Lucky bugger. 8)
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ya i am lucky. my grand parents have pictures of me "working" on my grandpas cj2a when i was 3. and i started driving it when i was 7 (first grade). jeep is practically ingranded into my dna. :thumbsup:
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ingranded
:english:
haha, I believe you meant "ingrained".
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ya something like that :wall:
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So I almost got myself a JK, I was still planning on keeping the 4banger but would love the 4 doors when I drag m nieces around which is every weekend. Almost, but couldn't really justify the unecessary expense. :fish:
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So I almost got myself a JK, I was still planning on keeping the 4banger but would love the 4 doors when I drag m nieces around which is every weekend. Almost, but couldn't really justify the unecessary expense. :fish:
NOoooooooo! :lol: As much as I'd like a JK Unlimited, I don't see myself getting one. I like the nimbleness of my YJ. It's big but it handles pretty good. I can do a U-Turn within 3 lanes. I hate running out of room with a longer truck then having to back up while I'm blocking traffic. Parts are obviously going to cost more as well. It has a larger then but it's also heavier. A lot heavier in the case of the Rubicon Unlimited.
Although you could sell your Jeep fairly easily. For those of us who have years and years of mods, a trade-in isn't an option so finding that 'right' person can take a while. Then there's the attachment we get. I couldn't sell my Jeep even if I wanted to at this point. Kinda sucks being locked into it but I'd lose out big if I sold it.
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I drove one a few weeks ago, they drive pretty nice but seem way too big for trail use. For street use they really need to offer a bigger motor so that you could tow a reasonable sized trailer (boat)
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I would get one...but I could see myself dumping just as much money into it so it would be as capable as my TJ will be....but I have to admit, I would probably enjoy it more as my DD.
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NOoooooooo! :lol: As much as I'd like a JK Unlimited, I don't see myself getting one. I like the nimbleness of my YJ. It's big but it handles pretty good. I can do a U-Turn within 3 lanes. I hate running out of room with a longer truck then having to back up while I'm blocking traffic. Parts are obviously going to cost more as well. It has a larger then but it's also heavier. A lot heavier in the case of the Rubicon Unlimited.
Although you could sell your Jeep fairly easily. For those of us who have years and years of mods, a trade-in isn't an option so finding that 'right' person can take a while. Then there's the attachment we get. I couldn't sell my Jeep even if I wanted to at this point. Kinda sucks being locked into it but I'd lose out big if I sold it.
Well, I wouldn't get rid of my 4banger, she's already been paid off for a few years so I was thinking about keeping both. I figured with the JK and the lifetime power train warranty I'd just keep it forever. 8)
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I drove one a few weeks ago, they drive pretty nice but seem way too big for trail use. For street use they really need to offer a bigger motor so that you could tow a reasonable sized trailer (boat)
I don't see them having the ability to fit on a narrow quad trail like my TJ does.
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They are only 2" wider on either side?? Seriously?? And that would probably change with different flares??
I don't think it is really THAT much wider where anyone would notice a significant difference....Just armor it up and plow on through... :thumb:
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They are only 2" wider on either side?? Seriously?? And that would probably change with different flares??
I don't think it is really THAT much wider where anyone would notice a significant difference....Just armor it up and plow on through... :thumb:
Wow, they seem so much wider. The wife and I have been looking at them lately. I'm not sure if we'll be getting one though. She has her eye on a black hardtop X. It may be a while before we reach a decision. I'm not so sure I want to get stuck with a vehicle payment every month right now. The TJ was paid of 3 or 4 months after we got it. Paid it off fast because I hate having that payment looming over my head every month.
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They are only 2" wider on either side?? Seriously?? And that would probably change with different flares??
I don't think it is really THAT much wider where anyone would notice a significant difference....Just armor it up and plow on through... :thumb:
I've seen Hummers go through the Rubicon and it wasn't pretty. I'd rather not be rubbing rocks and trees when I could be snaking between them. I also don't really like the square tubing they're calling the roll cage. Bent that up and the top probably won't seal or worse fit anymore. The 2" doesn't sound like much but that's 4" that will only get wider when you start adding larger tires. When you add 12.5's on you make a YJ/TJ about 5" wider. (Still, they are very capable after some lifting.)
Perhaps that's one of the reasons why the forestry department used explosives to take out some large rocks at the beginning of the Rubicon called 'The Gate Keeper'. Those who couldn't make it through would try to make an illegal bypass which I believe fell on private property.
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the whole width thing is why i love our cj2a and 3a. they are so skinny that we can fit through the 4wheeler bypasses where we hunt whit little no no body damage. even my yj it a little wide for where we do. so as i see it the skinnier (older) the jeep the better it is for the woods.
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the whole width thing is why i love our cj2a and 3a. they are so skinny that we can fit through the 4wheeler bypasses where we hunt whit little no no body damage. even my yj it a little wide for where we do. so as i see it the skinnier (older) the jeep the better it is for the woods.
Well, not being able to drive faster then 50mph would make slow going all around. :lol:
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ya on road they aren't too hot but off road they do just fine. although they make the 2.5l in my yj seem like like a powerhouse. but they will let you go lower in the rpm range without stalling that my 2.5l computer will let me. (nice for going over fallen tress without some of the harshness of the stiff suspension. ow and the go-devil isn't too afraid of water either. (not that ive had much of a chance to test my jeep.... darn drought)
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I used to have a '43 GPW so am familiar with the L-head but what you say about the YJ not going lower in RPMs is interesting. I have a '95 with MPI (I think your '90 has TBI) and am pretty amazed by how the computer automatically adjusts the idle speed to keep the engine from stalling. If I let off the gas slowly and put both feet flat on the floor the computer takes over and it will crawl up pretty steep, rocky slopes at idle. It seems to be able to vary the idle between 500 and about 1200 from what I have seen. If I let off the gas too quickly the computer does not take over fast enough and it stalls. Also, the ´95 can crawl in 2wd at idle on the street without stalling, just letting the clutch engage smoothly. BTW, the L-head is great, I think the low horsepower keeps the wheels from spinning, allowing it to maintain traction where other jeeps just spin the tires if the driver is not really good at being easy on the gas.
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I used to have a '43 GPW so am familiar with the L-head but what you say about the YJ not going lower in RPMs is interesting. I have a '95 with MPI (I think your '90 has TBI) and am pretty amazed by how the computer automatically adjusts the idle speed to keep the engine from stalling. If I let off the gas slowly and put both feet flat on the floor the computer takes over and it will crawl up pretty steep, rocky slopes at idle. It seems to be able to vary the idle between 500 and about 1200 from what I have seen. If I let off the gas too quickly the computer does not take over fast enough and it stalls. Also, the ´95 can crawl in 2wd at idle on the street without stalling, just letting the clutch engage smoothly. BTW, the L-head is great, I think the low horsepower keeps the wheels from spinning, allowing it to maintain traction where other jeeps just spin the tires if the driver is not really good at being easy on the gas.
The idle/stall speed is dependent on gearing. Keep in mind most flatfenders have run gears as low as 5.38's with their 6.0x16's. Put 5.38's in a YJ and run those small tires or even 205's and you'll be able to idle just as low without stalling.
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ya they have lower axle gears but 1st gear is steeper. i think i calculated it our ounce and my stock yj has a better craw ration. ya its kinda nice when the computer takes over but i was trying to say (here i go again probably not making since again) is that you can be piratically not moving for like a half a second and bring it back to life (aka no stall). that tends to happen when trying to go over a log and getting slapped in the face by a tree branch at the same time.
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sorry for 2 posts but my computer freaked out... anyways for the keeping traction by having less power that holds true well on the rocks in the mountains. but what we found from when our friend with a cj2a with av6 in it is that with our jeeps we have to floor it going into a mud pit because we cant get any power back/ rise in rpms ounce we are in. where the v6 could idle in and when he fells power begin lose he could giv it gas and power out... but our way does make the jeep allot muddier :blbl: nice thing is i can do the idle in power out with my 2.5l so when i get a front locker and a winch i should be good to go.
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ya they have lower axle gears but 1st gear is steeper. i think i calculated it our ounce and my stock yj has a better craw ration. ya its kinda nice when the computer takes over but i was trying to say (here i go again probably not making since again) is that you can be piratically not moving for like a half a second and bring it back to life (aka no stall). that tends to happen when trying to go over a log and getting slapped in the face by a tree branch at the same time.
Well, 2.79:1 vs 3.94:1 isn't that big of a difference when you consider the small tire size and gearing. When you put larger tires on you make the differential gearing feel a lot higher. Stock though you're comparing 36.47:1 vs 43.93. The YJ should be able to idle just as low though. Only problem is if you let it get too low, and the computer catches it, it will rev the engine to 1200rpm and will hold your idle high for a little while.
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Situations like you're talking about make me happy to have the automatic. The only problem I've suffered so far with the out is throttle bounce when the Jeep gets tossed around a bit and my foot takes it out on the gas pedal. But, it never stalls. I'm thinking of installing a hand throttle.
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Situations like you're talking about make me happy to have the automatic. The only problem I've suffered so far with the out is throttle bounce when the Jeep gets tossed around a bit and my foot takes it out on the gas pedal. But, it never stalls. I'm thinking of installing a hand throttle.
ya we get that also. the worst is when your body moves seperate from the frame and motor and it either takes away all you gas or floors it... darn solid throttle links.
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A hand throttle is high on my list of future mods.
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don't know if ive already said this or not. but the rear fender flare is a little close to the back doors (on a 4door) and if your not careful its easy to get mud, salt, and sand on your pants. and its hard to grab the seatbelt in the back. but its a jeep so its all in good fun.
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It would be nice to have 4 doors for hauling the kiddos and of course a HEMI!
I have heard that the soft top leaks after taking off a few times and I am not sure about all that flare on the fenders.
I guess the jury is still out.
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Judging by the number of 4 door JK's I see driving around Miami, I'd say the JK acceptance is favorable.
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While I like the JK its one of those vehicles that I will alway like but never have? Like a Corvette I'll look but not ever going to see one in my drive way. Got other things to blow my money on. Also I'm sort of in the same boat a Jeffy. I don't want to/can't sell my TJ. The loss on mods alone would kill me not to mention its mine and paid for. On another note Moz you seriously ought to look into a cheapo car and quit DD that awsome rig you built.
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On another note Moz you seriously ought to look into a cheapo car and quit DD that awsome rig you built.
The in-laws have a 2000 Audi A6 that they want to pass along to my oldest.....who won't be able to drive for another 3 years....I may just have to borrow it until then.... :blbl:
I was thinking of just buying a Rabbit to tool around in....no money right now though.... :'(
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I drove a 4 door hard top for a quick 10 minute test drive. It is as you all have said: SUV like, both in terms of noise and smoothness. If I had kids and needed more room this would definitely be the alternative to the van or the SUV.
It is smooth, quiet, and responsive. Does this mean its not a Wrangler?