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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: JeffsJeep on February 17, 2009, 12:13:23 AM
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Hey guys, decided against the thorntirds as some of you called them. Which is probably a good thing. Anyway, I got a set of 255/75/17 rims and tires. BFG mud terrains. Practly brand new. Am I going to need a 2 inch lift of 3 inch lift for these to look good. As in good I mean not overly big, and not too small by them looking like doughnuts. I am so excited to put them on but I need a lift first I think.
Thanks, Jeff
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That's about a 32" tire..... It's possible, but not with stock suspension components or without cutting for clearance. (unless you want to stuff them under there, extend your bumpstops, and have no suspension travel).
Most people use a 2" budget boost which consists of spring spacers and new shocks to clear 32"s. Then again, it's a skinny tire, and you really only need about an extra 1".
What's the backspacing on those rims?
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2" budget boost, cheap and effective. Perfect height for 32-33's on a TJ.
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I don't know the backspacing. The guy told me they came off his 09 Wrangler, stock rims and tires. Not even 1000 miles on them. Do you guys know the backspacing?
Edit: Also why is a 265 smaller than a 255? This is why I can't understand why companies just dont go with a 31, 32 etc. for tires.
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If it's off an 09 the rims won't fit your jeep. Wrong bolt pattern. 09 is 5 on 5 you have 5 on 4.5
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Thats ok, I got them for dirt ass cheap anyway. I will just buy some rims for the tires. Anyway what do you guys think of this lift? Or should I do the budget 2 inch boost like a nother member was saying?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Jeep-Wrangler-TJ-3-LIFT-KIT-w-Pro-Comp-Shocks-97-06_W0QQitemZ250370113549QQadiZ2865QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item250370113549&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Do I need transfercase spacers? What about brake line extentions and other extentions?
Also so I need to find a set of rims that are 17" and that are a 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern and need to be how wide? I'm new to this whole tire and rim thing so please don't flame me if I ask a dumb question, haha.
Thanks, Jeff
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Thats ok, I got them for dirt ass cheap anyway. I will just buy some rims for the tires. Anyway what do you guys think of this lift? Or should I do the budget 2 inch boost like a nother member was saying?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Jeep-Wrangler-TJ-3-LIFT-KIT-w-Pro-Comp-Shocks-97-06_W0QQitemZ250370113549QQadiZ2865QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item250370113549&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Do I need transfercase spacers? What about brake line extentions and other extentions?
Also so I need to find a set of rims that are 17" and that are a 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern and need to be how wide? I'm new to this whole tire and rim thing so please don't flame me if I ask a dumb question, haha.
Thanks, Jeff
That is just a budget 3" lift, nothing but pucks. If you're going to spend some money, get some replacement coils rather than 3" pucks - it'll ride better.
17" rims with 32" tires is a street setup, not a lot of sidewall height. If you air down offroad, expect rim damage.
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I'm not going to be doing any hardcore offroading. Just maybe some mudding, I hate rocks.
Anyway, where is this 2 inch budget boost jesse james was telling me about? Is it coils or spacers?
Also I am having a hard time finding the right bolt pattern for my 00 in a 17 inch rim. Everywhere I look, the 17's are for 07 - 09 wranglers with the different bolt pattern. Have I screwed myself over by buying these tires by not being able to find rims for them?
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I'm not going to be doing any hardcore offroading. Just maybe some mudding, I hate rocks.
Anyway, where is this 2 inch budget boost jesse james was telling me about? Is it coils or spacers?
Also I am having a hard time finding the right bolt pattern for my 00 in a 17 inch rim. Everywhere I look, the 17's are for 07 - 09 wranglers with the different bolt pattern. Have I screwed myself over by buying these tires by not being able to find rims for them?
2" BB is just pucks. 17" rim is scary big for a small pattern wheel, but I'm sure someone makes them since GC's had that pattern for a while and I've seen big gay chrome rims on those. If not, they make spacer/adapters so you can use the wheels you already bought. If you go that way make sure you check both sets of lugs frequently (need to take off the wheels to check the inner set.)
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These are the type of adapters you would need
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&refid=store&item=260286594774&category=42614&viewitem=
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Well Jeff there is always another option, put the tires you bought on Craiglist. with some luck you make some extra money of them then buy a set of bfg at or someting like that 31x10.5s will fit your stock rims and don't really need a lift and wheel pretty well. Not the best for mud but a good all around on and offroad tire
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Adapters/Spacers would work, just keep in mind shops like Discount Tire may not want to work on the Jeep after. They see them as a liability.
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Thanks to everyone who gave me input. This is such a great site with such great informational people. I don't know what I'd do without you guys! :biggrin: I think I might try to do the spacers, the only question I still have is the best route would be the 2 inch BB for a lift? You don't need t-case spacers or any other extnetions for brakes and such? Also after I put the spacers on with whichever lift I choose, the tires arent going to rub on my flairs since they are going to stick out further? Also oldjeep, why would you recommend checking the lugs frequiently? Is this because the spacers could come loose?
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Thanks to everyone who gave me input. This is such a great site with such great informational people. I don't know what I'd do without you guys! :biggrin: I think I might try to do the spacers, the only question I still have is the best route would be the 2 inch BB for a lift? You don't need t-case spacers or any other extnetions for brakes and such? Also after I put the spacers on with whichever lift I choose, the tires arent going to rub on my flairs since they are going to stick out further? Also oldjeep, why would you recommend checking the lugs frequiently? Is this because the spacers could come loose?
Because spacers do loosen, and you can't see it when the inner lugs are loose.
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For the brake hoses in the front its very easy to extend them loosen the bracket on the frame make a small extension bracket that moves the hose down on the frame another 1 to 1/12" and it will easily clear a 4" lift that flexes well. Also if you do use the spacers could use loctite on the lugnuts that hold them onto the hubs/ original wheel studs
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I'm getting spacers for my TJ to run the 35" KM2s on the 7" wide/3.75"BS wheels. I have less than my thumb thickness between the tire and rear coil bracket. I've received only 2 of the 5 tires and had them mounted so far. They are on the rear axle.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/jagular7/TJ/KM2s%2035s/100_0265.jpg)
I was told by everyone I talked to who sells them or runs them not to add loctite on the nuts. You are to torque them properly with a torque wrench. Then recheck after 100 miles, 500 miles and 1000 miles to verify the torque on the nuts. All this is due to the forces that come from the torque arm geometry of the spacer itself with the tire/wheel and axle.
I should be receiving my other 3 tires tomorrow and hopefully will receive my spacers from Cali by Friday. I've got wheeling plans for this and next Sats.
As for your delima to fit the correct wheel to match with the tires to go on the TJ or to use the spacers, yes, spacers will push the tire outside more as well as give you a wider track. This will give you better handling on the vehicle, but it still won't make it a corner handler so behave/drive correctly. To provide the necessary clearance, cheap way is to use the other model original springs. Next would be the polyurethane spacers, and last aftermarket lift springs. Next concern would be shock options. Then track bars.
You may be able to use your stock shocks with the other model springs (like a LJ Rubicon or even a set of new JKs). I've gained more than an 1" of lift using 05 Rubi LJ coils on my TJ. (I also have 2" spacers and 1" body lift for my combined lift.) I heard JK springs provide 1.5+". I picked up a set of JKs from the local Jeep dealership (off Ebay) for $5. This also included the shocks. They did a lift kit before they sold the JK.
Poly spacers are good as well as cheap to gain lift or separation between axle and frame. Many are sold as kits to include shocks, spacers, and rear track bar riser. Many are sold just as spacers. Teraflex just had a 24hr sale on their 2" spacers that were blemished. They had some flaw that was more cosmetic than anything else and they didn't pass their mfr inspection. I picked up a set of 4 delivered to my house for under $30. Check their website (teraflx.com) as they have other blemished products (diff covers).
Last option are lift coils. There are some companies that provide a 2" lift coil and sell them cheaply as well. They could come as a kit to include shocks. Rough Country has such a kit. Check it out]=http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=13820]Check it out (http://=http://www.4x4rockshop.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=13820). There is a discussion going on here (http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475901) about it.
The rear shocks have tendency to contact the coil mount bracket on the axle during full extension when trailriding. There are shock offset adapters that push the shock enough off the shock mount to clear the coil mount.
Best thing, you should use new shocks as well as get an alignment on the front axle no matter which way you go. Do note, the more you separate the axle from the frame, the more the axles won't be centered under the frame. The axles are located with control arms front to rear and track bars side to side. Many kits include shocks as well as a rear track bar riser for the rear axle. There will be instructions to tell you to drill a new hole 3/4" off and use that to locate the front track bar and 'recenter' the front axle. Since the front track bar has a tie rod end, it may be needing replacement or in time with the increase angle with the lift, it will require replacement. Its not really critical usually since many jeepers just add the spacer lift and new shocks to run 31-32's and they will accept the axle misalignment. Replacement track bars are readily available from a dealer, but adjustable length track bars provide less binding on the suspension during cycling. For a mostly street seen TJ, redrilling is acceptable up front.
Depending on where you live, check your local Jeep club and the Craigslist for someone selling items which you could use. Many Jeepers are continuously 'upgrading' what they have.
As for the newer wheels/tires, here (http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486311&highlight=JK+wheels) is a discussion of someone doing just what you want to do.
Lastly, with your newly Jeep, look for a local club to join and enjoy as well with your Jeep on trailrides.
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Also if you do use the spacers could use loctite on the lugnuts that hold them onto the hubs/ original wheel studs
Never use locktite on spacers, or even lugnuts on a normal axle. Problem is that the aluminum spacers act as a heat sink on the brake rotor - expand and contract at different rates. Over time they'll loosen up - not necessarily the nuts but the torque will be wrong. Same thing happens when you run aluminum wheels. Locktite keeps you from being able to check the torque accurately.
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Jag, thanks for the info. The thread with the yellow TJ is great. I will follow your build, do you have a link? Also thank you to everyone else who had input, I have thought about all the options and I just havent decided on a lift yet. Alot of choices...