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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: FourbangerYJ on March 29, 2009, 09:26:30 AM
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So I went out yesterday to get some oil. It's been nearly 2 years since it's last change. Only about 3k miles thou. Anyway I noticed that the Catrol Edge was over $7.00 per QT. VS. $4-5 for other brands. They had a 5 QT jug for $32.00. I didn't get the Castrol, I went with the Mobil 1. Doing the Mobil 1 filter too.
I love the Castrol ads but can't imagine why there prices are so much higher than others.
So what oil and filter is everyone using?
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Valvoline Durablend and Fram filters.
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$4-$5 per quart? :uhoh: My cars get whatever is on sale and usually a Fram grippy filter. Usually a 1 gallon bottle of the Oreilly house brand runs about $12.
I've run cars and trucks over 200K miles, 5K between oil changes and never regretted not filling them with the fancy stuff.
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we run Mobil 1 with Mobil 1 filters in everything but my jeep since it leaks like a siv... so i use Mobil clean 5000 / or oreilly brand (last change they had a sale on mobil and it was cheaper) and fram gripy filter.
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Motorcraft IIRC. I changed up finally since everyoen so against FRAM's. The only thing I've noticed is that my oil filter seeps a bit and my oil filter socket does not fit the filter like it does with the FRAM's.
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I use the Frams because of the grip, is there something bad to be said about them?
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Is there anything good to be said about them? Besides bein' purdy? Seriously, there have been a lot of Fram filter failures, some resulting in destroyed engines. Cut one open sometime and take a look. I used to run them all the time; now run Mobil 1, Purolater, or something made by Wix. I personnally watched a Fram shoot off a Jeep. We screwed it back on and put in 3 qts. of oil, and watched it shoot off again! It was towed home and a different brand filter screwed into place, filled with oil, and it's still running with no problems. We'd just completed a trail builder for the club ( TRJC.com ), and had spent the day winching and dragging brush off the trail when it let go.
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Is there anything good to be said about them?
Yes, the grip! :fish:
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Well, first of all not all filters even in the same brand are the same. The surface area of the filter changed between sizes. Even the bypass valves can be different as well. I've never had any issues with Fram though. I've probably been using them since '93 in the Jeep. I did move up from the little PH16 to the PH8's which are better filters for a number of reasons. Never had one 'shoot off' though. I suspect they got the wrong filter though. Early Jeeps (YJ, MJ and XJ's) use metric pitch filters.
I'm not sure if I like the Motorcraft though. It's a PITA to tighten up since I have to use a strap wrench and I don't want to tighten it too much since it has to come off again some day. Never had a Fram leak. Not to mention you can get PH8's for $2-3 on sale pretty often. They are the most universal size I think.
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PH8 a direct fit? Different capacity?
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Motorcraft IIRC. I changed up finally since everyoen so against FRAM's. The only thing I've noticed is that my oil filter seeps a bit and my oil filter socket does not fit the filter like it does with the FRAM's.
I also like the K&N filter. PN 2004. They have a 1 inch nut formed on the bottom of the filter to make it easy to remove.
Do you lube the rubber gasket with oil before installing?
If my filter wrench slip while trying to remove the filter I add a cardboard shim, by taking the filter box apart and tapeing to the wrench.
$4-$5 per quart? :uhoh: My cars get whatever is on sale and usually a Fram grippy filter. Usually a 1 gallon bottle of the Oreilly house brand runs about $12.
I've run cars and trucks over 200K miles, 5K between oil changes and never regretted not filling them with the fancy stuff.
I'm partial to the syns. I am sure that Brand X dino would work fine as long as it meets the specs by the motor mfg. I don't run that many miles a year :'( so spending a bit over $30.00 on a oil change and filter is not that big of a deal.
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Fram filters are cheaply made and have less filter surface inside (the folded paper) than many other filters
Currently I tend to by either Purolator, Wix or Bosch filters
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www.bobistheoilguy.com = everything you wanted to know about almost everything oil. Check out the Fram threads ...I'll never buy another one.
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How about a link to the thread? I'm not registering on a site just to search.
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Bah, a jeep engine would be happy enough with no filter. These are the same guys who think you have to run Amsoil or some other high dollar lube in everything including your garden tractor.
Been running Fram for the last 23 years and havn't had any issues. If you are needing a filter wrench to remove a filter that was on for 3-5K miles you are putting it on too tight or need to have your carpel tunnel checked out :)
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How about a link to the thread? I'm not registering on a site just to search.
The forum is sponsered by Mobile 1, Amsoil and Fleet filters. Not a place I'd look for an unbiased test ;)
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I didn't look long enough to even see that. I just hate clicking a link to find out I have to register to find anything, what's the point in posting it?
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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=6&page=1
This is a link to the oil filter section. Read thru some of the threads. Some say the Fram are crap and come apart, others say they have many thousands of miles on them with no problems.
Considering that forum is an oil/luberication forum of course it is going to have oil and filter sponcers.
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One of my favorite consumer reports tests (1996)
http://www.moneybluebook.com/articles/consumerreports.oilchange.php
Cliff notes - used many brands of oils in new york taxi cabs. Brand and whether they were changed at 3K or 6K intervals didn't make any difference at all.
My other favorite test was when they refuted the BS claims of Amsoil and brought their findings to the FTC so that Amsoil would stop using ridiculously false claims in its commercials.
As I recall, their oil filter tests said to buy a Fram - mostly because it made no difference either and the Frams were cheaper.
What people seem to forget is that the various companies all meet the manufacturers spec, and being 2x better than what is required or 20x better is like running 93 octane in a motor that needs 89 octane - a waste of money that yields nothing for that money.
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i used motorcraft bc i get them for free form work never had a problem and i like them, they have leak back valves in them, and we barly see them fail.
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I also like the K&N filter. PN 2004. They have a 1 inch nut formed on the bottom of the filter to make it easy to remove.
Do you lube the rubber gasket with oil before installing?
If my filter wrench slip while trying to remove the filter I add a cardboard shim, by taking the filter box apart and tapeing to the wrench.
I'm partial to the syns. I am sure that Brand X dino would work fine as long as it meets the specs by the motor mfg. I don't run that many miles a year :'( so spending a bit over $30.00 on a oil change and filter is not that big of a deal.
Yup, I pull the seal and lube it up with the clean oil before installing. For some reason I jsut don't have it tight enough. I know I don't have two gaskets up there.
I too used the regular paper filters for the longest time. Actually a lot of the people I know are doing the same since the K&N's allow a lot of dirt to pass thought the element. Paper filters are cheap and work well. Although now, I'm using the Fram Air Hog.
Bah, a jeep engine would be happy enough with no filter. These are the same guys who think you have to run Amsoil or some other high dollar lube in everything including your garden tractor.
Been running Fram for the last 23 years and havn't had any issues. If you are needing a filter wrench to remove a filter that was on for 3-5K miles you are putting it on too tight or need to have your carpel tunnel checked out :)
I tend to agree that the jeep won't really notice any difference in the filters as long as one is there. I don't run Royal Purple or Amsol, just cheap Mobil one since I can get it just about anywhere even in the middle of nowhere.
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I too used the regular paper filters for the longest time. Actually a lot of the people I know are doing the same since the K&N's allow a lot of dirt to pass thought the element. Paper filters are cheap and work well.
Same here, the wooded trails get good and dusty around here in the summer. No way I'd trust a K&N type.
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Yup, I pull the seal and lube it up with the clean oil before installing. For some reason I jsut don't have it tight enough. I know I don't have two gaskets up there.
I too used the regular paper filters for the longest time. Actually a lot of the people I know are doing the same since the K&N's allow a lot of dirt to pass thought the element. Paper filters are cheap and work well. Although now, I'm using the Fram Air Hog.
I tend to agree that the jeep won't really notice any difference in the filters as long as one is there. I don't run Royal Purple or Amsol, just cheap Mobil one since I can get it just about anywhere even in the middle of nowhere.
Once I had a gasket stay on and I didn't know it. I added the new filter and filled it with oil. Once I started it, it puked oil bad.
Another reason I run the M1 is like you said, you can find it anywhere.
I added a pre-filter to my K&N. I can't run the stock box since I moved the motor forward. Is there paper filters that a cone shaped?
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Couldn't you use the stock airbox but cut down the rubber tube or replace it? How do you get passed the visual inspection for SMOG?
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Couldn't you use the stock airbox but cut down the rubber tube or replace it? How do you get passed the visual inspection for SMOG?
I couldn't find a good way to seal it once the tube is cut. And at the time I didn't have time to monkey with it.
SMOG has not been a problem. Once the guy said he did not see a CARB sticker on the intake tube, but he passed me.
The K&N with the pre-filter works, I was just wondering if there was a cone shaped paper one. I have not seen any, but I have not looked either.
When I did the 62mm TB swap I did not see any fine dust/powder on the inside of the tube. So I guess it's doing it's job.
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Once I had a gasket stay on and I didn't know it. I added the new filter and filled it with oil. Once I started it, it puked oil bad.
Another reason I run the M1 is like you said, you can find it anywhere.
I added a pre-filter to my K&N. I can't run the stock box since I moved the motor forward. Is there paper filters that a cone shaped?
You can run a TJ box and tube. It sits on the passenger side. That's what I run in my YJ that has the motor pushed 7" forward. Put it in after I got sick of listening to the intake suck from the K&N cone.
(http://www.oldjeep.com/images/YJ/Feb2009/P2210002.JPG)
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You can run a TJ box and tube. It sits on the passenger side. That's what I run in my YJ that has the motor pushed 7" forward.
PICS? :EDIT: Dang I'm to slow.
Why did you move the motor forward?
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PICS?
Why did you move the motor forward?
Edited and added one. Jeep works much better offroad with the weight as far forward as possible, also get a nice long driveshaft out of the deal.
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You can run a TJ box and tube. It sits on the passenger side. That's what I run in my YJ that has the motor pushed 7" forward. Put it in after I got sick of listening to the intake suck from the K&N cone.
(http://www.oldjeep.com/images/YJ/Feb2009/P2210002.JPG)
Is the 2.5 and 4.0 the same tube on the TJ?
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Edited and added one. Jeep works much better offroad with the weight as far forward as possible, also get a nice long driveshaft out of the deal.
I hear ya. The only people I know that have moved there motor is to make room for a underdrive.
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I use Mobil One oil and either fram or Mobil One filter.
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Is the 2.5 and 4.0 the same tube on the TJ?
I don't know, that one is off a 4.0L
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I use Royal Purple in everything I own. Filters, I use Bosch in my YJ and S-10, Mopar in my Intrepids. With the prices rising so much (Royal Purple and Edge are about the same price around here $8.70 a Qt.) I am looking into using something else. I have heard that Valvoline synthetic is pretty good. I will stick to a synthetic, no dino stuff, better all the way around. As much money that we have in our vehicles, the high cost of synthetics and any maintenance for that matter, is still pretty cheap. If it will make it run better and last longer and make you feel better about yourself, it's worth it.
Glenn
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Is the 2.5 and 4.0 the same tube on the TJ?
No, the 4.0 tube is about 4 inches shorter than the 2.5's. Don't ask me how I know.
As far as filter and lube go... I use the mopar filters they sell at Wal-mart along with Mobil 1. Never had a problem with the mopar filters.
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No, the 4.0 tube is about 4 inches shorter than the 2.5's. Don't ask me how I know.
As far as filter and lube go... I use the mopar filters they sell at Wal-mart along with Mobil 1. Never had a problem with the mopar filters.
HHMMmm. 4 inches shorter might work. I moved the motor 4 inches forward. I'll start looking around.
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I didn't look long enough to even see that. I just hate clicking a link to find out I have to register to find anything, what's the point in posting it?
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html Here's one right to a study grouchy gus!
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http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html Here's one right to a study grouchy gus!
A site for K-car afficianados - sweet :wall:
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http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html Here's one right to a study grouchy gus!
Interesting study! Good stuff in there :thumbsup:
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http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html Here's one right to a study grouchy gus!
Much better. :lol:
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most filters have basically the same makeup/ the only thing to think about is make sure you have a check back valve filter if you dont park flat/ i park the wj on a little side hill most of the time and had a fram on it and you could here it pumping dry from the filter being drained out/ i use mopar filters on everything and have no problems/ plus with a yj/xj/zj/wj in my driveway they all take the same filter and oil which is awesome for bulk buying/ i have always run castrol and am now thinking of changing just for the price cause it is getting ridiculous