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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: YJ KiD on October 05, 2009, 03:02:25 PM
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what all did the ford 8.8 axles come in i know thy came in mustangs but did they come in all mustangs found a totaled 95 v6 mustang that i can get the axle cheap!!!! but i dont know if it is a 8.8 or not anyone know off the top of there head?
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Hmm, the Mustangs should have a 7.5" not a 8.8", especially with the V6. Don't waste your time with a 7.5". Either get the right 8.8" or a 9". You want one from a Ford Explorer with a 4.0L. Most should have 4.10:1 gearing and disc brakes. These are popular swaps with Mustang owners so they can be scarce depending on how popular they are in your area. Another option is the Ford Ranger XLT. These have the 8.8" with drums but with 4.56:1 gears. You can also go with a 9" or a 8.8" from a Lincoln Town Car, Grand marquis or a Crown Vic. They will have higher gear ratios though.
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You want an 8.8 out of an Explorer or Moutaineer. The track width is only slightly narrower than the jeep, uses the 5 on 4.5 lug pattern. If you get a 1995 through 2000, you'll get rear disc brakes also. They are very strong. If you google "8.8 ford axle jeep", you'll find tons of info.
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Stick with the '95+ Exploder and Mountaineer, maybe the Navajo also.
Didn't the mustangs have a 4-lug wheel?
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the main reason to get 95+ explorer 8.8 is 31spline disc brakes right width,bolt pattern,gear ratios. dont waste time w others. 8.8 complete bout $300
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the later fox's had 5 lug (according to my mustang guy i happen to be a GM junkie) but the 31 spline axles and discs make the decision for me explorer and mountaineer
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Stick with the '95+ Exploder
Is this an intentianl typo? As in tires go kaboom!?
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Yes, explode.
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now to further expore axle choices why the 8.8 instead of a 9in or a dana 44. On all the other boards im on and frequently look at i have never seen anyone brag about an 8.8 swap they are usually going to the others mentioned unless of course they are playing project overkill with HEAVY dana's or or 14 bolts
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now to further expore axle choices why the 8.8 instead of a 9in or a dana 44. On all the other boards im on and frequently look at i have never seen anyone brag about an 8.8 swap they are usually going to the others mentioned unless of course they are playing project overkill with HEAVY dana's or or 14 bolts
For the most part availability.
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The 8.8 is plentiful, affordable, strong, disc brakes, 5x4.5" lugs, etc. Many advantages over the d44 and 9".
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common 8.8 complaints are clearance, stuck w 5x4.5 lug, c clip. solutions= shave a bit off bottom of 8.8 and superior makes alloy shafts that convert to 5x5.5 and eliminate c clip. If you are 1/2
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35"tires or smaller. dana 30 w alloys should be fine up front and 5x4.5 is fine. If you feel need to upgrade front axle get the upgraded 8.8shaft and be done. 8.8 is somewhere between dana 60 and 44
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strength. jf and pirate have tons of info on 8.8. do search and read up. there are codes on inside of exploder door for what is inside diff. when walking thru junkyard just peek inside door and u know
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do a carpart.com search on dana 44 and 8.8. bet you better prices on complete 8.8 than dana 44. I have heard good thing on chrysler 8.25s tho latrly tho.
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and eliminate c clip.
Really don't see why the C clip is such a big deal on the 8.8.
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me either just one of the arguements against that i heard. i run an 8.8. just trying to give him an idea of what people say and how u could address those issues if it comes up
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the c-clips are not an issue on the 8.8.
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the c-clips are not an issue on the 8.8.
may i ask why.. is it just that its strong enough that they aren't breaking and walking out like the d35 :confused: :wall:
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i think the disc brakes would help prevent it from walking out.
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I think the 8.8 c-clip issue depends on tire size and engine power. At some point even the 8.8 will break and even if the wheel does not fall off it could damage the brakes. But then again, a D44 could also damage the bearing when an axle breaks if you roll out on it. I wish I had full floating axles like in my old GPW, only stronger of course.
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may i ask why.. is it just that its strong enough that they aren't breaking and walking out like the d35 :confused: :wall:
It would take an extreme side load to break the c-clips and I've never seen it happen. C-clips are not the cause of the d35 failures, it's the small diameter of the axleshaft where it necks down at the carrier. C-clips have a bad rap but are not prone to problems.
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It would take an extreme side load to break the c-clips and I've never seen it happen. C-clips are not the cause of the d35 failures, it's the small diameter of the axleshaft where it necks down at the carrier. C-clips have a bad rap but are not prone to problems.
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I've never heard of a C-clip causing any problems. It's always the axle shaft breaking.
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my take on the clips being a "problem" was that when you did manage to break a shaft your wheel can work its way out from under the jeep. so it isn't realy a c-clip weakness as in straight but as having something to keep the axle in when broker... but i guess unless you are full floating your kinda :gimp: either way...
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my take on the clips being a "problem" was that when you did manage to break a shaft your wheel can work its way out from under the jeep. so it isn't realy a c-clip weakness as in straight but as having something to keep the axle in when broker... but i guess unless you are full floating your kinda :gimp: either way...
unless you have full floaters you are in trouble imo. you can limp your way around for a little bit but since the support point in the diff is gone that axle is going to be on an angle that would not be horizontal (and the wheel and disk would not be vertical or perpendicular to the axle tube) - the broken end would be supporting itself in the axle tube - i don't know how the 8.8 is built to make a statement about the disk keeping the axle in but once it's broken i don't see how you could safely drive back home even if it would be only 20 or 30 miles (and not damage something else like the diff, the housing or disk assuming you can make it there) not to mention that i would assume the disk would bet itself wedged on the caliper or the e-brake shoes and possibly even brake the caliper support
again this is just common sense assumption, never had an 8.8 so in reality could be different.
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my brother-in-law suggested the GM 10 bolt as another option anyone running one or have any input on the matter
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my brother-in-law suggested the GM 10 bolt as another option anyone running one or have any input on the matter
I'd stick with the 8.8 I feel it's stronger than the 10 bolt.
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Well you carry spare shafts and a tool to knock the broken stub out, on a none c clip axle it actually doesn't really take all that long if you bring the right tools to git er done
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Ive seen 3 D35's pop the axle end off at the C-clip groove. (One was mine...)
I've seen several ford trucks with 8.8 rears along side the road with the axle in the ditch...
AS far a 9" vs 8,8 vs 44. If you look up the specs they are within 1/8 of an inch of each other, the pinions are all within 3/10 of an inch.
Some 9"gear sets are 8.8 Some 9" have "small pinion" which is way smaller than a 44 or a 8.8.
None of them really beat the other in any all around comparison, each has a strength.
9" do suck more power than the 44 or the 8.8 due to the pinion relationship to the ring gear.
More and more drag racers are running Dana full floaters casue the 9 can suck up 10 HP..
Dave
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Ive seen 3 D35's pop the axle end off at the C-clip groove. (One was mine...)
Got any pics of the carnage? I have yet to see any from people who say they've done this.
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:) nope Like most I was way more concerned about getting my
rear back to civilization than documenting the problems. :'(
Now that I have a camera phone I will get one the next time.
I know that when I talked to ARB, (After I broke their locker) that they
do get them with the buttons inside the locker all mashed into the spider gears.
I had the c-clip eliminator version and it had other issues...
The bearing retainer on the 35 keeps the axle in place, kinda,
you can gimp it to the nearest road, if your gentle. :gimp:
Dutchman here in PDX used to have a couple c-clip axles on display.
There is a reason you can't use a c-clip in some drag classes...
Its like the POS dana 35 axle housing, there are two kinds of people,
those who have broken them and believe they are donkey excrement,
and those who will break one and change their minds....
Took me three tries and too many $$ slow learner I guess....
Dave