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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: Jesse-James on November 10, 2009, 08:57:38 AM
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So an acquaintance of mine knows I'm into Jeeps and asks me to take a look at one for him. An 88 YJ on the the lot at Husher Car Co. near me for $5k. I told him it's a bit high but he insisted it was really nice so I had a look on Sat. Some of the scum in the used car business continues to amaze me. This is what I found.
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i33/jlafaive/For%20Sale/DSC04237.jpg)
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i33/jlafaive/For%20Sale/DSC04238.jpg)
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i33/jlafaive/For%20Sale/DSC04239.jpg)
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i33/jlafaive/For%20Sale/DSC04240.jpg)
http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dda/detail.jsp?ct=u&car_id=269178780&dealer_id=100016914&car_year=1988&dealership_view_name=hushercarco.com&num_records=50&model=&start_year=&search_type=&make=&min_price=&sort_type=make_modelASC&end_year=&max_price=&cardist=0
I didn't even look at the floors. I asked the guy WTF? and he says it's on the sticker that it had rust on the frame. I started to respond and he walked away from me.
Unreal.
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that is unbelievable - that guy should be reported to BBB and DMV or whoever regulates these things - it's not even safe to be towed not to mention driven.
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I'd love to, but who would I contact? BBB only deals with you if you've already made a purchase IIRC.
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I'd love to, but who would I contact? BBB only deals with you if you've already made a purchase IIRC.
give DMV a call they should know - that guy should have his dealer license revoked - what an a$$hole, think of someone driving away with his kid in that vehicle, man.
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:yikes: Buyer beware Huh? That is just not right.
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I sent an Email to the local news station's "consumer report" guy. See if they have any interest in this.
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that is horrible, just horrible. I hope this guy gets reported.
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I sent an Email to the local news station's "consumer report" guy. See if they have any interest in this.
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hope something comes out of it.
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"Frame and Floor Rusty" is a bit of an understatement. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Kind of surprising they would even bother listing 'rusty'.
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It looks like if you touch it, it will turn to ashes. haha
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The dealer should get this to fix it.
http://daveygeeps.com/products.html
Can't imagine what the floors look like. Maybe like a Flintstone car? ???
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The dealer should get this to fix it.
http://daveygeeps.com/products.html
Can't imagine what the floors look like. Maybe like a Flintstone car? ???
Those patch panels sure aren't pretty. I think the guy (I forget who it was) on the forum did a nicer job.
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Just got a reply from the rep at the DMV that I emailed......
Bartnik, James - DOT to me
As long as the dealer discloses the problems and condition of the vehicle on the Wisconsin Buyers Guide (the white disclosure form), it is legal to sell a vehicle that way (as long as the customer knows ahead of time what they are buying).
I'll look into them. Thanks.
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Just got a reply from the rep at the DMV that I emailed......
hmm, i guess the question is if mentioning rust is the same with missing 3 feet of frame due to rust - well, he mentioned rust so i guess he got himself covered from that perspective - curious to see if they will look into it more and what the result will be.
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I showed the pic to my wife, she could tell something was not right..... :)
Dave
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Those patch panels sure aren't pretty. I think the guy (I forget who it was) on the forum did a nicer job.
I didn't see it.
These are the only guy's I know of that has a kit.
I sure am glad we don't have rust issues here!
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The dealer should get this to fix it.
http://daveygeeps.com/products.html
Can't imagine what the floors look like. Maybe like a Flintstone car? ???
I guess there is some hope for that poor Jeep!
You would think that used car lot would lose customers selling cars like that. Is it a new lot or has it been around for a while?
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They are $80 for one side or $150 a pair. They may not be the prettiest but it's better than what's on there now. They say an hour to install but there is no way it would only take an hour to do one side.
The body looks to be in real nice shape. Damn cancer!
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It looks a bit better than it is because this place makes most of their money as a porter detailing for other businesses. They are extremely good at polishing a turd. There was a small bit of rust in the corners.
You would think that used car lot would lose customers selling cars like that. Is it a new lot or has it been around for a while?
They have been around longer than I have been alive. It was the area Olds dealer until they were phased out & then switched to all used.
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I showed the pic to my wife, she could tell something was not right..... :)
Dave
It wasn't white, huh?
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Seller's Comments
Exterior in excellent condition,has new BF-Goodrich All Terain Tires,new brake lines ,fuel lines,runs and drives like new! Has been sitting in storage, floor and frame rusty needs work! Has hardtop Professionally detailed to like new condition Really sharp car, this one won't last long! Contact us today for more info or to arrange a test drive!
Comments
Although we try to be very accurate in all of are ads the occaisional mistake may occur.
Maybe the forgetting to mention that the frame was rotted out was one of the mistakes that may occur, I also noticed that it says it has new brake lines and fuel lines probably cause the old ones rusted out too... I would think climbing inside would brake the frame
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It wasn't white, huh?
;) She wanted to know how they burnt the thing up that badly.... Rust didn't occur to her.
Dave
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I wonder where this poor jeep was wheeled.... A sea salt mine? A volcano??? Oh, and the NERVE to ask for 5K for an 88 in THIS condition... I bought my '94 3 years ago for 6K and it had NO rust!!!
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Go for a test drive and hit every pot hole, speed bump, take turns tight, etc. Bring your cell phone so that you can call them to come pick up the leaning Jeep that appears not to drive correctly on the street.
Before you go, make sure whose insurance covers any problems found during a test drive. Also, if you do loose control and get yourself involved in an accident.
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Im assuming they wouldn't let him take it for a test drive after his encounter with them. They know he's not gonna buy it. haha
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Just ... Wow.
I can't believe that stealership would have the audacity to put that Jeep on the lot in that condition. Then again...
I decided almost immediately that I wanted a YJ and not a TJ or a CJ. The first YJ I looked at was on a stealership lot. It was in good shape. The salesman told me that if I put $100 on it he would hold it for a week, so I did. Week went by, I got my tax return, called, and he had sold it right out from under me. I was absolutely pissed that day. The very next day I'm driving down the road and I see my Jeep sitting on the side with a for sale sign in the window. I test drove it and bought it that day. They wanted $1,000 more for the lot Wrangler than what I paid for my Rio Grande, and it was just a base model 4-cyl/5-spd Wrangler. That lot Wrangler also had 40,000 more miles on it than the one I ended up getting. It had a 2" budget boost and 33's but no other mods. The one I ended up buying has a 2" Black Diamond lift and BFG 31's, Carr Rota lightbar, Bestop Trailmax console, and 4 PIAA daylighters. High-quality stuff, all for a grand less. What luck, huh?
Seeing this thread, I'm glad I ended up buying from a private seller. The guy was brutally honest about every little flaw in the Jeep. It was a totally no-BS purchase for me.
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hmm, i guess the question is if mentioning rust is the same with missing 3 feet of frame due to rust - well, he mentioned rust so i guess he got himself covered from that perspective - curious to see if they will look into it more and what the result will be.
wouldnt that be similar to false advertising? i mean its not just "rusty" it is just plain rust for several feet, and that vehicle should and would not pass state inspections....
good thing you looked at it for you friend.... I would hate to see the axle fall off and someone flip into the ditch and get hurt...
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Seeing this thread, I'm glad I ended up buying from a private seller. The guy was brutally honest about every little flaw in the Jeep. It was a totally no-BS purchase for me.
i too purchased my jeep private from a brutally honest guy. he assured me she ran just fine with no problems..and that he just didnt take her out often enough to justify keeping her...proven by the barely 500 miles he had put on her in a year and a half of ownership. he even took me for a ride in her and drove it to my house to do the paper work..the honest man even dropped $500 lower than his asking price and even let me claim what i wanted as far as the sale price on the bill of sale. 4 days later the engine blew. he had cracked the head and didnt wanna mess with it and dumped his garbage onto me. and this poor student earned himself a crash course in mechanic 101 with the purchase of a long block funded by my already thin wallet. im never buying a vehicle privately again..unless it's from a family member or a close friend..that way i know where to find them if something goes wrong and i feel screwed. dealership all the way...at least i get some kind of warranty. then beat the piss out of it for a week so whatever is about to break, breaks and gets replaced under warranty lol. jk. Ya can get screwed in any type of vehicle purchase..private or dealership.
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i too purchased my jeep private from a brutally honest guy. he assured me she ran just fine with no problems..and that he just didnt take her out often enough to justify keeping her...proven by the barely 500 miles he had put on her in a year and a half of ownership. he even took me for a ride in her and drove it to my house to do the paper work..the honest man even dropped $500 lower than his asking price and even let me claim what i wanted as far as the sale price on the bill of sale. 4 days later the engine blew. he had cracked the head and didnt wanna mess with it and dumped his garbage onto me. and this poor student earned himself a crash course in mechanic 101 with the purchase of a long block funded by my already thin wallet. im never buying a vehicle privately again..unless it's from a family member or a close friend..that way i know where to find them if something goes wrong and i feel screwed. dealership all the way...at least i get some kind of warranty. then beat the piss out of it for a week so whatever is about to break, breaks and gets replaced under warranty lol. jk. Ya can get screwed in any type of vehicle purchase..private or dealership.
not to be a jerk but there are a few things you can look at to find damage like that. the previous owner may have never even known..... anyhow my point is you can be screwed by anyone dealer or private.... but sorry to hear your misfortune though, glad you did get her back rolling under her own power..
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i would call the state troopers to go have a look at it although it might be totally legal to sell a vechicle in that condition i seriously doubt that it is legal to sell an unsafe vechicle as a daily driver that could cause not only an accident but possibly kill someone with the person not even knowing that their vechicle was unsafe to drive
Some people do shitty things and in my opinion he should have to drive that thing cross country and what he cant make in the jeep he should have to walk
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. the previous owner may have never even known.....
oh he def knew. vehicle had a terrible hard start when ya tried to start it..had to lay ur foot on the gas to get her to start...i didnt know cause it was running when i went to see it...and i asked him to cut it and start it again (though i didnt spot him pressing down on the gas to get her goin). either way, like you said (and i in my previous response) ya can get screwed with either..though id like i bit of a warranty the next time i purchase.
doesnt seem like theres much one can do with the jeep in this thread though...frame is prob rotted out. may be worth 500 bucks though. for use as parts maybe?
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oh he def knew. vehicle had a terrible hard start when ya tried to start it..had to lay ur foot on the gas to get her to start...i didnt know cause it was running when i went to see it...and i asked him to cut it and start it again (though i didnt spot him pressing down on the gas to get her goin). either way, like you said (and i in my previous response) ya can get screwed with either..though id like i bit of a warranty the next time i purchase.
doesnt seem like theres much one can do with the jeep in this thread though...frame is prob rotted out. may be worth 500 bucks though. for use as parts maybe?
wow. that was a shady move on that guys part.... my jeeps frame looked worse than the one in the pic, now it has a "used" frame under her.... it was done before my parents and law gave it to us but I certainly would not go through that kind of trouble personally. would be more economical to get another jeep imo...
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well the jeep is no longer on their site.. so something happened
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I sent an Email to the local news station's "consumer report" guy. See if they have any interest in this.
I think you did a lot of good getting on the lot, taking a look and snapping the photos. Yeah, the dealer is apparently out in front of state law -- he disclosed the "rust."
But that photo looks like an accident or death waiting to happen. So, nice work getting that one! You helped somebody there :thumb:
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well the jeep is no longer on their site.. so something happened
It was taken off the site and lot the day after they recieved a ton of harassing Emails and calls from people on various forums. Believe they took it to auction, no way it was coincidence especially after being on the lot for weeks.