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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: drunkencityworker on January 29, 2010, 12:43:14 PM
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I aquired this today. Worked when last used. Has sat for a while. Does anyone have any experience with this winch. Does anyone have a link for possible rebuild info and or what to check what should I do before I attempt to operate etc etc..any and all ideas and advice welcome. Thanks
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I think Bounty mentioned somewhere he rebuilt his... You may want to ask him.
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Good score, looks a lot like mine when I got it. Get it cheap?
They're easy to work on, just tear into it. I'd first pull the motor, make sure the armature spins freely by hand. Then pull the top cover off the gears & check the condition of the freespool gear and other gears. I was lucky and my '75 model showed no wear.
There are some rebuild writeups online, I will look for them when I'm on a 'puter and not my phone.
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They're pretty simple to rebuild, I've done a couple of them. If you take it apart, you'll probabally have to replace the seals in the bottom end otherwise you'll be leaking gear oil.
Check that the brake move freely, they like to seize up if they are left sitting too long. Hopefully it's new enough to have the disc type friction pads rather than the multiple round pucks. The puck type in't available and you have to buy a kit that replaces the ratchet gear and friction pads.
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http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/
http://forum.ih8mud.com/winching-recovery/197470-my-warn-8274-rebuild-part-1-a.html
http://bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?p=868491
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As usual my 4banger buds come thru...thanks fellas
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Check out all these pimpin 8274 upgrades: http://gigglepin4x4-shop.co.uk/epages/eshop343529.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/eshop343529/Categories/%22Gigglepin%20Winches%20%26%20service%20parts%22/%22Winch%20upgrade%20parts%22
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Check out all these pimpin 8274 upgrades: http://gigglepin4x4-shop.co.uk/epages/eshop343529.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/eshop343529/Categories/%22Gigglepin%20Winches%20%26%20service%20parts%22/%22Winch%20upgrade%20parts%22
The idea of 2 motors on that winch just scares the hell out of me. The winch was almost too fast sometime, a low gear would have been nice ;)
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The idea of 2 motors on that winch just scares the hell out of me. The winch was almost too fast sometime, a low gear would have been nice ;)
It's definitely a fast winch and you have to always be on your toes, with both the line speed and the run-on.
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yea I heard out the run ons even in the manual I found online. Has anyone run 3/8 cable rather than the recommended 5/16? I came across a deal on new 100ft of 3/8 even tho it hols 150ft of 5/16. I was thinking of making an extension of another cable in decent shape for those situations when not too close to a pulling point
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yea I heard out the run ons even in the manual I found online. Has anyone run 3/8 cable rather than the recommended 5/16? I came across a deal on new 100ft of 3/8 even tho it hols 150ft of 5/16. I was thinking of making an extension of another cable in decent shape for those situations when not too close to a pulling point
I've always run 3/8" steel cable on my 8274's and my Bellview. You can fit 110 feet of 3/8 on an 8274.
You do need to be more watchfull when winding cable on and off the winch though. 3/8 will bird nest a lot easier due to it's stuiffness
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Hye old jeep and bounty,
Did you change out the solenoids? Have you used the ford style? When tested they all clicked. I picked up the 4.6hp prestolite replacement motor and picked up some recommended marine/golfcart continuous solenoids. However the sent me 2 to replace 4. A guy in my jeep club said they wont work and there has to be 4. But theres 5 connections on these other solenoids. Any solenoid advise will be a great help
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Mine works fine with the original solenoids. How much was that replacement motor?
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I replaced all teh solonoids on mine. I switched to the front terminal solonoids that they use in the newer 8274. Whatever you use needs to be rated for continuous duty. Starter solonoids will get fried. If you only use 2 solonoids make sure they are rated high enough. The 4 solonoid block runs half the power through each solonoid in the pair.
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You could extend this idea and build a solenoid pack with 6 or more solenoids for greater redundancy and reliability. Maybe add an extra one for the spool in at least.
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Why not keep it simple and carry a spare or two?
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I think it would be better to just bring some spares instead of wiring a bunch of solenoids together. The solenoid box wouldn't be huge otherwise. Typically you only need one spare anyway as only one usually goes out. You can wire require the solenoid so you can run on one if you have to. Having a spare would allow you to keep both forward and reverse functions though.
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Why not keep it simple and carry a spare or two?
It takes time to repair things. Greater reliability means more time for jeeping!
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It takes time to repair things. Greater reliability means more time for jeeping!
You start making things overcomplicated when you're making backups for the backups though.
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Pics of new solenoid that replaces 2ones they dont make anymore
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link to new solenoid
http://www.dbelectrical.com/Items/spl6028%20-%2015-301%20winch%20solenoid%205-terminal?&caSKU=spl6028%20-%2015-301%20winch%20solenoid%205-terminal&caTitle=NEW%20WINCH%20MOTOR%20GOLF%20CART%20SOLENOID%205%20Term%2012%20Volt%20HD%20%2015-301%20SPL6028
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link to new motor...$78 mine is the keyed kind , newer are 20spline. You have to crack case to tell which you have
http://www.db-starter-alternator.com/Items/Item.aspx?SKU=lpl0015 / amt0404 - keyway opn fce mtr&caSKU=lpl0015%20/%20%20amt0404%20-%20keyway%20opn%20fce%20mtr&caTitle=NEW%2012V%20%20Winch%20Motor%20for%20WARN%20Keyed%20Shaft%20HEAVY%20DUTY%208274%20LPL0015
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sorry you might have to cut and paste to get that last one to work...or you may just search on db for 8274 winch motor
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Better off with these: (basically 4 of the new style 8274 solenoids)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360136929880&crlp=1_263602_263622&ff4=263602_263622&viewitem=&guid=ae84c12e1230a04378264b46ffec016b&rvr_id=&ua=%3F*I7&itemid=360136929880
That golf cart solonoid is only good for 100 Amps. The stock setup is 2 solonoids on each side that are rated for 100 amps each. You are cutting your rating in half with those. Those would be fine for a small winch but I wouldn't run an 8274 through them for long (unless you use 4)
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Thanks for the link, may have to upgrade my motor and keep the old 2.5hp stocker for a spare.
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Better off with these: (basically 4 of the new style 8274 solenoids)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360136929880&crlp=1_263602_263622&ff4=263602_263622&viewitem=&guid=ae84c12e1230a04378264b46ffec016b&rvr_id=&ua=%3F*I7&itemid=360136929880
That golf cart solonoid is only good for 100 Amps. The stock setup is 2 solonoids on each side that are rated for 100 amps each. You are cutting your rating in half with those. Those would be fine for a small winch but I wouldn't run an 8274 through them for long (unless you use 4)
Hey oldjep. Those require the new plate they mount to. $170 for that not including the solenoids. Thats what I am trying to avoid. The big $$$
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Hey oldjep. Those require the new plate they mount to. $170 for that not including the solenoids. Thats what I am trying to avoid. The big $$$
You don't need a new plate, just a drill and some work.
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And they will still fit under the plastic cover?
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And they will still fit under the plastic cover?
Yes. I'll have to see if I took any pictures when I did mine. As I recall I had to drill new holes for the solenoids and then take the copper bars and re bend them to fit the front mount configuration. It's not rocket science, but if you're uncomfortable with that sort of stuff then just get 4 of the old style solenoids from someone other than warn.
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Only pic I could find
(http://oldjeep.com/images/winter0304projects/Winter0304Projects%20004.jpg)
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Are there identical solenoids like the warn old style
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Are there identical solenoids like the warn old style
Sure - top one
http://www.amperagetech.com/id29_m.htm
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A search on that part number gives me nada...I saw some for an atv winch that look very similar but not sure on the ampage
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A search on that part number gives me nada...I saw some for an atv winch that look very similar but not sure on the ampage
Huh? Just go to the main page of where the link was from. That is who sells them. Otherwise find yourself a ford style solonoid that is rated for continuous duty and will carry 100 Amps.
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I am sorry dont mean to test your patience old jeep. Just I am getting a bunch of different answers. Some from my local club and from other sites.
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I cant find any info on how much oil the 8274 holds. I read somewhere that its 30wieght just not how much. I filled it so the 2nd gear caught it at the bottom and had some leakage overnight. I very well might have a bad seal or possibly overfilled a bit
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I cant find any info on how much oil the 8274 holds. I read somewhere that its 30wieght just not how much. I filled it so the 2nd gear caught it at the bottom and had some leakage overnight. I very well might have a bad seal or possibly overfilled a bit
Manual says 6 ozs. of 30 weight oil. It winds up just below the drum seal. They tend to leak at the drum seal, probabally where it's coming from. I used double lipped viton seals when I redid mine. Don't ask what the part number was, I've got no idea, I just measured the old one and looked in the seal book by size.
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Might want to look at these if you havn't already. They are the factory service manual and parts manual for the older 8274.
(Don't worry - Warn doesn't care if you distribute these. If you call them up they will send you copies for free)
http://www.dojodesign.com/toyota/warn/M8274_Service_Manual.pdf
http://www.dojodesign.com/toyota/warn/M8274_RPL_Old.pdf
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thanks old jeep I put way more than 6oz in lol
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Thanks for the help guys. I ended up using the golfcart/marine solenoids. We used 2gauge all around. I just will order a 3rd solenoid as a back up if one goes. The 8274 worked great on the trail and the line speed was awesome. More time to wheel than in recovery. Final tally for cost.
CJ mount-50
1/4plate-40
new 4.6motor-77
solenoids-40
take off new warn 125ft line/fairlead-100
2gauge batt wire-35
2gauge copper connectors-25
1974warn 8274-300cash and a day of pulling axles in junkyard
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this should be better
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Looks like the you got a great overall deal compared to buying new.
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plus the satisfaction of making something work that didnt. :clap:(http://<a href="http://s78.photobucket.com/albums/j86/BP0012/Cliffs%202-20-10/?action-view¤t=100_0133.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j86/BP0012/Cliffs%202-20-10/100_0133.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>)
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(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j86/BP0012/Cliffs%202-20-10/100_0117.jpg)
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Nice. Nothing beats an 8274 on the trail. Should last forever, just watch the load on the cable - the 8274 is pretty cabable of snapping the stock 5/16 line.
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Ref your license plate on the windshield, I found it convenient to loosen the roller fairlead and put the top of the plate just behind the fairlead. Tighten the two fairlead bolts and the plate won't go anywhere.
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Ref your license plate on the windshield, I found it convenient to loosen the roller fairlead and put the top of the plate just behind the fairlead. Tighten the two fairlead bolts and the plate won't go anywhere.
You can also use mag-light clamps to clamp it to the rollers.
(http://www.cooltechllc.com/catalog/JKFairlead1.JPG)
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Or just bolt it to the bumper ;)
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Or just bolt it to the bumper ;)
only problem with that is the plate tends to bend when you bury yourself in a snow pile..
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Looks like he's got plenty of room to mount it above the rollers as well.
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I have seen a bunch of plates get ripped off the bumper. The mag lite idea is cool. Yet then just one more thing to do when I get to trail and one more thing to tie down inside. I like the behind the fairlead idea as long as it doesnt restrict any more airfow than already restricted. It is going to stay where it is for now untill I put a replacement frame in. As for the legality of it I am not sure but visibility isnt an issue. I am illegal prob 5 other ways as well. But I always wear my seatbelt and I am not speeding anywhere on 35s with 373s. :brick:
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http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f37/flip-up-winch-mounted-license-plate-bracket-917100/