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Title: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Dog Guide on February 03, 2010, 01:54:57 PM
Anybody have this?  I installed the security console 3 weeks ago and have gone through 2 brand new Kenwood cd players since.  They would work fine for a short time and go "dead".  I emailed Crutchfield and asked them which stereo would work best and they replied the NONE of the stereos would work while mounted vertically.  I know others have this same console but which stereo/cd works when mounted vertically?

Thanks
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: oldjeep on February 03, 2010, 01:58:04 PM
Maybe something meant for marine use.  They tend to be more forgiving.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: neale_rs on February 03, 2010, 02:06:36 PM
Time to switch to no moving parts technology!
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jesse-James on February 03, 2010, 02:34:28 PM
They're saying that because they don't have an answer or it's a manufacturer disclaimer. I've seen it done with many CD players with no ill effects.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: bammerman on February 03, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
I have done it as well.  The only thing I did was add some weatherstripping to get a tighter seal and give the cd player some cushion
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jeffy on February 03, 2010, 03:33:49 PM
Well, the problem is you beat on the lasers drive motor and the plastic drive screws since they're not designed to take much force on that plane.  That's crucial since the laser needs to stay aligned with the disc.

Some receivers are more robust but as CD's are dying off, they quality is going to drop a bit.  My old Alpine was the preferred unit for boats and it still works, although I now only use it for my FM Modulator.

Honestly, I'd consider a receiver with flash memory or capable of reading a USB/Aux input or iPod controller.  They are relatively inexpensive compared to what they used to cost.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Dog Guide on February 03, 2010, 04:08:50 PM
Well, the problem is you beat on the lasers drive motor and the plastic drive screws since they're not designed to take much force on that plane.  That's crucial since the laser needs to stay aligned with the disc.

Some receivers are more robust but as CD's are dying off, they quality is going to drop a bit.  My old Alpine was the preferred unit for boats and it still works, although I now only use it for my FM Modulator.

Honestly, I'd consider a receiver with flash memory or capable of reading a USB/Aux input or iPod controller.  They are relatively inexpensive compared to what they used to cost.

Jeffy,

The Kenwood unit I have does have the USB/Aux input, unfortunately I have killed 2 units trying to play a cd.  I may stick with the Kenwood unit again and just not play cd's in it.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jeffy on February 03, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
So stop playing CD's in them.  :confused:  :wine:
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: oldjeep on February 03, 2010, 04:18:20 PM
So stop playing CD's in them.  :confused:  :wine:

Must have a TJ if he's even able to play a cd without skipping  :wall:
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Dog Guide on February 03, 2010, 04:28:33 PM
So stop playing CD's in them.  :confused:  :wine:

Yeah I know, took the death of 2 head units to figure that out though. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jeffy on February 03, 2010, 05:02:36 PM
Must have a TJ if he's even able to play a cd without skipping  :wall:
My Alpine plays fine in the horizontal position and rarely skips unless I hit something hard.  whoopdeedoo's didn't bother it.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jeffy on February 03, 2010, 05:03:33 PM
Yeah I know, took the death of 2 head units to figure that out though. :'( :'(
No reason for CD's in this day and age.  Hell, if you run just an amp and speaker you can hook up your MP3 player of choice directly to the amp.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: FourbangerYJ on February 03, 2010, 05:31:27 PM
No reason for CD's in this day and age.  Hell, if you run just an amp and speaker you can hook up your MP3 player of choice directly to the amp.

I think I'll do this when I'm ready to upgrade. My Alpine is real old. It's eating my cassettes  :wall: I know :stfu: So I might have to break down and get a ipod. Not in a big hurry.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: oldjeep on February 03, 2010, 05:33:10 PM
I think I'll do this when I'm ready to upgrade. My Alpine is real old. It's eating my cassettes  :wall: I know :stfu: So I might have to break down and get a ipod. Not in a big hurry.

Old cherokee radios are $5 at the junkyard and pin compatible.  No need for fancy security consoles because nobody in their right mind would steal one ;)
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jesse-James on February 03, 2010, 06:06:21 PM
Must have a TJ if he's even able to play a cd without skipping  :wall:

+1 for coil conversion.  :lol:
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: TrailsLessTaken on February 03, 2010, 06:17:51 PM
No reason for CD's in this day and age.  Hell, if you run just an amp and speaker you can hook up your MP3 player of choice directly to the amp.

This is the setup that im running, and so far I like it.  I just have an old 600w 2 channel amp hooked up to my front and rear speakers.  Its loud enough that I can hear it over the exhuast, motor and tires  :weee:
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Sine Deviance on February 03, 2010, 06:56:07 PM
Must have a TJ if he's even able to play a cd without skipping  :wall:

Hah, I have a Sony Drive-S MP3/WMA in my YJ and it only skips when I hit potholes 8)

If the laser mechanism ever does get out of alignment, you can usually fix that with a small phillips-head. Most of them are designed to be serviceable, meaning you can realign the eye by turning some adjustment screws.

If the drive motor ever dies I've always got the AUX jack :twofingers:
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: bammerman on February 04, 2010, 12:15:11 PM
+1 for coil conversion.  :lol:
you again with the coil conv.  lol
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: jfrabat on February 04, 2010, 03:15:19 PM
Jeffy,

The Kenwood unit I have does have the USB/Aux input, unfortunately I have killed 2 units trying to play a cd.  I may stick with the Kenwood unit again and just not play cd's in it.

My advise:

1. Dont get another Kenwood; get a Sony...
2. Jeffy is right? the dampening mechanisms are designed on the vertical plane of the unit, so by installing them vertically, they basically have no dampening...
3. Switche to USB media, and problem solved!
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jeffy on February 04, 2010, 08:17:04 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Sony.  I'd go Alpine or Pioneer.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jesse-James on February 04, 2010, 08:55:19 PM
I've run pioneer HU's for a long time. Seems every time I try something else, last time was Panasonic, I get burned.

My $.02
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Sine Deviance on February 04, 2010, 09:17:38 PM
Speaking of USB, you guys need to keep in mind that flash devices (i.e. USB thumb drives, iPod Nanos/Shuffles, most portable MP3 players, etc) are also prone to damage from shock. They are less prone than devices with conventional hard drives or optical drives, all of which have moving parts, whereas flash devices have none. But they are still vulnerable.

Over the long term your best bet is probably going to be a marine headunit. Also, never trust anything Crutchfield says; they constantly try to pawn off responsibility on defective items so that they don't have to RMA them.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jeffy on February 04, 2010, 09:27:05 PM
Speaking of USB, you guys need to keep in mind that flash devices (i.e. USB thumb drives, iPod Nanos/Shuffles, most portable MP3 players, etc) are also prone to damage from shock. They are less prone than devices with conventional hard drives or optical drives, all of which have moving parts, whereas flash devices have none. But they are still vulnerable.

Over the long term your best bet is probably going to be a marine headunit. Also, never trust anything Crutchfield says; they constantly try to pawn off responsibility on defective items so that they don't have to RMA them.
Even a rock breaks sometimes.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jesse-James on February 04, 2010, 09:36:03 PM
I guess a lot less vulnerable. My thumb drives have been dropped, stepped on thrown in anger and run through the wash. They seem to take the abuse.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: sharpxmen on February 04, 2010, 11:21:50 PM
I guess a lot less vulnerable. My thumb drives have been dropped, stepped on thrown in anger and run through the wash. They seem to take the abuse.
x2
unless you crack the pcb or a component they'll function ok
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: TahoeYJ on February 05, 2010, 12:37:21 AM
Down with Sony!  :twofingers:

Actually my last head unit was a Sony marine unit and it was ok. But after about a year the face plate started having issues. Sound wasn't what I wanted so it was an excuse to get something else  :pirate:
so I swapped to a JVC unit with iPod/iPhone 2-way interface (controls the devcd off either the deck or the phone/iPod) and Bluetooth. The mic for the Bluetooth isn't terrific but works great for conversations around town but the Bluetooth is awesome for listening to pandora radio on my iPhone  :thumb:
cd's don't seem to skip either. Ever. At least I've never noticed then skipping, even though I rarely use them.

+1 for JVC!
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: sharpxmen on February 05, 2010, 01:00:23 AM
they're all made in China  :roflol:, some of them in the same factory
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: jfrabat on February 05, 2010, 06:46:30 AM
they're all made in China  :roflol:, some of them in the same factory

Actually, Malaysia...  Not China.  Some are moving there, though.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: sharpxmen on February 05, 2010, 08:38:00 AM
Actually, Malaysia...  Not China.  Some are moving there, though.

well, you catch my drift - same as with TVs a lot of them also share the same components - very few (if any) are actually assembled in Japan.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Mozman68 on February 05, 2010, 12:06:37 PM
I'm very happy with my Kenwood beast mated to my Apline amp.  Touchscreen is the way to go.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Jeffy on February 05, 2010, 12:19:12 PM
I'm very happy with my Kenwood beast mated to my Apline amp.  Touchscreen is the way to go.... :thumbsup:
But you don't have yours mounted standing on end.
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: TahoeYJ on February 05, 2010, 12:37:06 PM
I'm very happy with my Kenwood beast mated to my Apline amp.  Touchscreen is the way to go.... :thumbsup:
Hey I can touch my screen too, it just doesn't do anything  :whistle:
Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: Mozman68 on February 06, 2010, 04:13:24 AM
But you don't have yours mounted standing on end.

I thought we were beyond the fact that they don't work sideways (that would be real interesting with my unit).... :twofingers:

Title: Re: Vertical mount stereo in console?
Post by: dwtaylorpdx on February 07, 2010, 09:30:41 AM
I've had the vertical setup in my YJ since 96. I've had 3 head units, Original was a Pioneer, I shorted a speaker wire and blew it up. Then tried a Blaupunk (Sp?) it worked fine but got a cup of coffee dumped through it. Now have a Sony that's about 6 years old and going strong and I use the cd player a lot.

Dave