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Seems like every trip I pack more and more gear. Between tools and spare parts this stuff weighs a ton! When I do a overnighter it's even more stuff that gets packed. How much stuff do we really need?
What all are you guy's bringing on day trips?
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I'm paranoid because we usually go alone on spontanous outings...
- chain
- tow strap
- hi lift
- spare tire
- first aid kit
- fire extinguisher
- zip ties
- some cut down 2x6s under the bench
- drinking water
- radiator coolant
- a quart of oil
- spare hoses (coolant, fuel)
- serpentine belt
- box of clamps, bolts, nuts, misc
- full tool box with pliers, sockets, wrenches, hammers, screw drivers...
- tie downs
- crow bar
- maps
- gps (if new trail for me)
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i always had it packed up to the soft top and a big bag on the over spare tire carrier and i still wish i had more room - that's for going camping for 3 or 4 days
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For clothes, one backpack or duffel bag for one person. If it doesn't fit then it's too much crap. Sleeping bags will depend on the size and type. Usually ultra light for backpacking is best. Cookware shouldn't that much either. Tent's are pretty small. I prefer a 3 person tent for 2 people. Keep bags inside.
For a 3-4 day Rubicon trip, we had two backpacking bags, one for each person. A box of some crucial spares and tools and cookware. There was still a lot of room in the back of the Jeep and it was all under the duster cover. Two folding chairs strapped to the spare. Still brought too much stuff. We only used maybe 1/2 of the stuff.
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(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/FourbangerYJ/Dusy/024.jpg)
This is from last years Dusy trip. 4 nights 5 days.
On the roof in a large nylon bag was our jackets,pillows,etc. On this trip I left my tool bag at home. It weighs around 6o pounds easy!
What you can't see is the Ready Welder,spare front shafts L&R,F&R driveshafts.
Storage isn't really the problem, it's what do I really need to bring. Like what Jeffy said lots of this stuff was not used. It some ways it's better to have it and not need it.
On day trips I carry tool bag,ready welder, the black bag above has my welding junk plus some power tools and inverter. The ammo can has fluids,all kinds of U joints and u bolts and straps for joints.
I try and weed out stuff that I have not used but it seems the load does not get any smaller.
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This is from last years Dusy trip. 4 nights 5 days.
On the roof in a large nylon bag was our jackets,pillows,etc. On this trip I left my tool bag at home. It weighs around 6o pounds easy!
What you can't see is the Ready Welder,spare front shafts L&R,F&R driveshafts.
Storage isn't really the problem, it's what do I really need to bring. Like what Jeffy said lots of this stuff was not used. It some ways it's better to have it and not need it.
On day trips I carry tool bag,ready welder, the black bag above has my welding junk plus some power tools and inverter. The ammo can has fluids,all kinds of U joints and u bolts and straps for joints.
I try and weed out stuff that I have not used but it seems the load does not get any smaller.
So how much of it did you actually use?
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More than a day, I bring a bed, bathroom, fridge... ohhh... then I tow the jeep to the locale. I guess what I'm saying is, I ruff it as far as long as my water and holding tanks last. :wall: No tent for me please.
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So how much of it did you actually use?
Spare parts,tools= not at all. But would you leave them at home on this type of trip?
Camp gear= pretty much used all of it.
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Spare parts,tools= not at all. But would you leave them at home on this type of trip?
Camp gear= pretty much used all of it.
You're carrying gear for 4 people? You've got way too much stuff. You need a support vehicle. :lol: I know guy's who take less then that on a round the world trip. :wall:
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You're carrying gear for 4 people? You've got way too much stuff. You need a support vehicle. :lol: I know guy's who take less then that on a round the world trip. :wall:
You sound like my wife :lol: :finger:
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The pink bag is my daughters clothes, the blue Jeep one is mine.
Lite blue tote box is camp cooking gear
Gray box on the fender well is food.
Tent
ammo can (fluids,u joints,ball joints)
Camp table (could leave this but it's nice to have since there is no pinic tables where we go)
BBQ (could leave this too but it makes grilling fast and easy)
Tarp,porta potty (could leave it but it makes taking a digger much more enjoyable) :flush:
Ice chest ( could leave this too but I like my soda's cold!)
Water (thought about getting a purifier and pumping what's needed)
Gray tote behind the water is parts D20 rear output, tools,radiator hoses,serp. belt,yokes) Heavy stuff!
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you could save room and have more water by getting a 5 gallon water Jerry can and then just bring enough small bottles for each person and refill as needed... i find it less annoying that having to through in a ton of little bottles.
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you could save room and have more water by getting a 5 gallon water Jerry can and then just bring enough small bottles for each person and refill as needed... i find it less annoying that having to through in a ton of little bottles.
Ya that is one thing I am gonna change for this years trip.
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He could save a bunc of room by just letting his wife and daughter take the Jeep.
The ice chest ONLY holds soda? Man that's a lot of sodas. You really should be able to feed 4 people for several days with that one cooler. Including drinks. Too much cooking gear for 2 people. On top of that a grill? Two plates, to sets of utensils, one dutch oven and you should be good. If you plan ahead and make the meals before hand then all you have to do is cook them. Tables? Most of the time we're eating from our chairs around the fire. Portapotty, yeah, learn to do it the old fashion way with a shovel.
I don't think Girl Scouts take that much baggage with them camping.
I think for spare parts, you really have to think about what's got a high chance of breaking and what you can live without, even if you're limping in 2wd. Having too many spares may help in the 100:1 shot but for the 99 other times it's just an anchor.
With two people, and spare parts/tools, you shouldn't have it stacked much higher then the sides of the Jeep.
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My spare parts other than a jug of coolant and the hoses, all fit in an old small ammo box. Now that I have the rear tuffy, everything is in there, and I still have enough room to double anything, so I can still lockup laptop or whatever I have with me. I still need to put my tools back in, but I have to find so small narrow canvas tool bags to toss them in.
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He could save a bunc of room by just letting his wife and daughter take the Jeep.
The ice chest ONLY holds soda? Man that's a lot of sodas. You really should be able to feed 4 people for several days with that one cooler. Including drinks. Too much cooking gear for 2 people. On top of that a grill? Two plates, to sets of utensils, one dutch oven and you should be good. If you plan ahead and make the meals before hand then all you have to do is cook them. Tables? Most of the time we're eating from our chairs around the fire. Portapotty, yeah, learn to do it the old fashion way with a shovel.
I don't think Girl Scouts take that much baggage with them camping.
I think for spare parts, you really have to think about what's got a high chance of breaking and what you can live without, even if you're limping in 2wd. Having too many spares may help in the 100:1 shot but for the 99 other times it's just an anchor.
With two people, and spare parts/tools, you shouldn't have it stacked much higher then the sides of the Jeep.
i usually take more than he has just for 2 pple
i have 2 coolers, 1 full of drinks (pop, water, beer^2) and a plug-in one with food (meats, cheese, eggs and stuff like that), i have a huge (no j/k) tarp that takes a lot of room, another small tarp, bbq, tent, sleeping bags, inflatable matress, table, chairs, tools, travel bags, 2 jerry cans with water, propane, inflatable boat, small and big hatchet, 1 bin with a lot of little stuff like starter fluid (for the fire), lighters, travel plates, knives/forks, etc. - like i said, packed up all the way to the top.
usually use all of it except for the propane tanks, i have taken twice as much as i used every time.
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The ice chest ONLY holds soda? Man that's a lot of sodas. You really should be able to feed 4 people for several days with that one cooler. Including drinks. Too much cooking gear for 2 people. On top of that a grill? Two plates, to sets of utensils, one dutch oven and you should be good. If you plan ahead and make the meals before hand then all you have to do is cook them. Tables? Most of the time we're eating from our chairs around the fire. Portapotty, yeah, learn to do it the old fashion way with a shovel.
I think for spare parts, you really have to think about what's got a high chance of breaking and what you can live without, even if you're limping in 2wd. Having too many spares may help in the 100:1 shot but for the 99 other times it's just an anchor.
With two people, and spare parts/tools, you shouldn't have it stacked much higher then the sides of the Jeep.
Ice chest has meat for 4 nights worth of dinner,tater salad,mac salad,cheese, yogurt,soda for 2 people.
Porta potty started when my daughter started going with me. Tried it without and she was :'( everytime she had to go. I'm fine without.
I try and plan my meals way in advance so cooking is kept to a min. Just heat and eat.
I know I am way overloaded on spare parts. I'm gonna try and weed a lot of that out this year.
I would like to shed enough junk so my daughter can go this year. The plan was for my dad and me to go. But I am getting a major guilt trip from her.
With the back seat in I am not sure what kind of room there is for gear. I might play around with what fits and what doesn't. And figure out what really needs to be brought and what is a luxury.
BBQ for sure can go. I have a round grill that can be propped on rocks and use coals from the fire. It takes longer but saves a lot of room. Or borrow from others that have brought one.
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Me and a buddy partner up on trips so were not as heavily loaded. We each carry our own spare parts, then he carries all the spare fluids in his, I take all the tools. Other than that we split up the camping gear between the two jeeps and that gives us enough room for 4 people plus gear
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Ice chest has meat for 4 nights worth of dinner,tater salad,mac salad,cheese, yogurt,soda for 2 people.
Porta potty started when my daughter started going with me. Tried it without and she was :'( everytime she had to go. I'm fine without.
I try and plan my meals way in advance so cooking is kept to a min. Just heat and eat.
I know I am way overloaded on spare parts. I'm gonna try and weed a lot of that out this year.
I would like to shed enough junk so my daughter can go this year. The plan was for my dad and me to go. But I am getting a major guilt trip from her.
With the back seat in I am not sure what kind of room there is for gear. I might play around with what fits and what doesn't. And figure out what really needs to be brought and what is a luxury.
BBQ for sure can go. I have a round grill that can be propped on rocks and use coals from the fire. It takes longer but saves a lot of room. Or borrow from others that have brought one.
I think that would cut your load down in half. You have a lot of luxury items.
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For local runs (within 30 minutes away) we usually just take tools and the bare necessities, like a jack, jack stands, tow strap, jumper cables. When we do finally make the trip out to Uwharrie we're gonna do a weekend, so on that one we'll take tents and coolers with food and such. I'm not worried about breaking anything on the first trip because I'm gonna stick to the easier trails, so I'll probably just take the necessities.
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I've got to remember to take a picture of mine when I leave on my trip. Three nights at the Badlands.
Last year it was a tent, sleeping bag, one duffel bag, one cooler for food and drinks (another small one to carry on the trail)....basic tools....I drive down, wheel and drive back. Probably the only one in my group that doesn't trailer, so not too worried about breaking down...someone there will haul my junk back if needed.
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I've got to remember to take a picture of mine when I leave on my trip. Three nights at the Badlands.
Last year it was a tent, sleeping bag, one duffel bag, one cooler for food and drinks (another small one to carry on the trail)....basic tools....I drive down, wheel and drive back. Probably the only one in my group that doesn't trailer, so not too worried about breaking down...someone there will haul my junk back if needed.
Having the D60's gives you the some insurance that you'll be able to drive back as well.
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I've got to remember to take a picture of mine when I leave on my trip. Three nights at the Badlands.
Last year it was a tent, sleeping bag, one duffel bag, one cooler for food and drinks (another small one to carry on the trail)....basic tools....I drive down, wheel and drive back. Probably the only one in my group that doesn't trailer, so not too worried about breaking down...someone there will haul my junk back if needed.
My club is slowly turning into a bunch of trailer queens. It's kinda sad IMO. At the last meeting I told them "trailers are for boats". :lol:
I love driving my Jeep. I love to tent camp.
Having the D60's gives you the some insurance that you'll be able to drive back as well.
X2 I wish my rear shafts were 35 spline!
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Well If I weed out a bunch of junk, like I had on this trip. I should have room for the 3 of us, with the rack. I'll have to kick it around and see what's what. I don't want my shackles to be like they are^^ :yikes: I was pretty much on the bump stops the whole trip! The next year was much better, as far as taking a lot less crap.
Our group usually is good about sharing stuff. Just need to see who is going and see about planning items that can be shared.
Plus I need to see if that rack will fit with the 37. I built that rack years ago and that was the only time I ever used it.
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thats not a roof rack..thats more like an attic ya got on top of your jeep! Im surprised all that stuff doesnt get snagged and torn off by branches and stuff. Like you mentioned, sharing is probably the way to go. one well stocked tool box should suit the group just fine. Draw straws and see which one has to carry it.
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thats not a roof rack..thats more like an attic ya got on top of your jeep! Im surprised all that stuff doesnt get snagged and torn off by branches and stuff. Like you mentioned, sharing is probably the way to go. one well stocked tool box should suit the group just fine. Draw straws and see which one has to carry it.
This trail does not nhave clearance issues, unless you run a CB ant. on the roof. IIRC that basket is 4ftx18inx6in.
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...and I'm really excited for this trip. Jeep has been with my buddy from my club. Manifld replaced (cracked beyond repair), tie rod boot replaced, steering tightened.....will actually be a nice drive down and REALLY nice that he will actually be there in case anything goes wrong.
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Try this for size. Cook your meals before you leave couple days before. Once cooked and cooled down, put them into vacuum bags and seal close. Then freeze them. Anything else, if you can put into freezer, freeze it. Lot of water is good for this. Otherwise, everything else keep refrigerated. Keep food items as cold/frozen in a well insulated container. Keep soft and warm food in a soft insulated soft bag - toss in a frozen water to maintain heat gain in the sun. When cooking all you need to do is boil water in a pot (you can use a camp fire for this as well). It will heat your frozen dinners, you can use the hot water for camp showers as well as cleaning utensils afterwards. You can let it cool down and reheat for hot breakfasts (scrambled eggs, bacon, cheese). You can cook several items at once with the same hot water. Dinners can be served for singles or all at once (depending how you vacuum seal them). You can partial open the bag, serve yourself, then when the others are ready, they can watch the bag float in the water. You can heat with boiling water with an open bag, just have to watch it. Planning is a big thing when freezing meals. Basically all that is necessary is a properly size pot.
For the extend wheeling trips like you do that are continous on the trail, you should probably look into an expedition style trailer to match your Jeep. Lots out there in the expedition forums. Lots of knowledge and experience.
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Good ideas on the frozen foods. Also, you can keep the ice chests cold with drinking water frozen in bottles. That way everything in the chest is usable without a bunch of space taken up by ice cubes.
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I have had great luck with my Igloo max cold. I use a block of ice then freeze all the meats or meals that need to be heated days in advance. Nothing go's into the ice chest without being frozen or in the fridge before packing. Plus a few frozen water bottles. While in transport I use a packing blanket over the ice chest. I have ice for 5 days easy. But the day time temps were only in the mid 80's at most.
My problem is having a ton of camp gear and spare parts and tools.
I have been wanting to build a trail trailer for years. In fact I started buy parts for it. But after thinking about how often it would be used I stopped the project. I would have only used it once or twice. It's still something I would like to do but not right now.
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I have been wanting to build a trail trailer for years. In fact I started buy parts for it. But after thinking about how often it would be used I stopped the project. I would have only used it once or twice. It's still something I would like to do but not right now.
So you can bring even more junk. :wall:
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So you can bring even more junk. :wall:
Ya Buddy! :thumbsup: :blbl:
The idea was me the Mrs.and 2 kids would go, or 2 kids and me. But that does not seem to be in the works. The Mrs. likes the day trip thing maybe every 5 years. And so far I can't talk my son in to going even a day run. :confused: My daughter loves to go!
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Ya Buddy! :thumbsup: :blbl:
The idea was me the Mrs.and 2 kids would go, or 2 kids and me. But that does not seem to be in the works. The Mrs. likes the day trip thing maybe every 5 years. And so far I can't talk my son in to going even a day run. :confused: My daughter loves to go!
Time to sell the YJ and buy a SJ. More of everything, including comfort.
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Time to sell the YJ and buy a SJ. More of everything, including comfort.
I'd rather sell the kids :wall: :lol:
My buddy has 2 FSJ's he is going to try sell them and get a JK. He is tired of working on it all the time to keep it running.
I would like a CJ 8 or a 6 or a LJ, or a older 4 runner. But that is not going to happen.
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I'd rather sell the kids :wall: :lol:
My buddy has 2 FSJ's he is going to try sell them and get a JK. He is tired of working on it all the time to keep it running.
I would like a CJ 8 or a 6 or a LJ, or a older 4 runner. But that is not going to happen.
Well, that's usually because no one kept on top of the maintenance. I'd want to swap out the engine for a 5.7L and a 4L60e or a 4L80E. As for room, I think the JK would be a downgrade. SJ's have room galore. For the price of a JK he could probably build a nice SJ with a completely new drive/powertrain/axles.
CJ-6 isn't going to give you that much more room as they are narrower. If you're going to go CJ-8 you might as well just extend your YJ and put a CJ-8 tub on it.
Still, you carry way too much stuff. These guy's are going practically naked in comparison. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ :lol:
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Well, that's usually because no one kept on top of the maintenance. I'd want to swap out the engine for a 5.7L and a 4L60e or a 4L80E. As for room, I think the JK would be a downgrade. SJ's have room galore. For the price of a JK he could probably build a nice SJ with a completely new drive/powertrain/axles.
CJ-6 isn't going to give you that much more room as they are narrower. If you're going to go CJ-8 you might as well just extend your YJ and put a CJ-8 tub on it.
Still, you carry way too much stuff. These guy's are going practically naked in comparison. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ :lol:
Well Kris has had a black cloud over him just about everyday I have known him. It's always something! I blame him for the rain we had on the Dusy last year. :lol:
He was on the fence last year with rebuilding the 360 or swapping in a 5.3 setup. He went with the 360 rebuild. He has good axles. One has a 14B/HPD44. The other has a HP44 and 9 inch.
I guess you can tell I was never a 2 wheeler kind of guy :roflol: Hats off to those that are and make it work. :beer:
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I have been wanting to build a trail trailer for years. In fact I started buy parts for it. But after thinking about how often it would be used I stopped the project. I would have only used it once or twice. It's still something I would like to do but not right now.
Find a pwc trailer, find a vehicle (truck/minivan) rear axle with leafs or something to use as an axle with larger tires, put that under it. Put plywood down and hold downs on it and your done. Fill it to the brim with your camping/trailride gear and pull it around for a few days just on the streets. Give a pull through a day ride trail. Its rather cheap to put together with a lot of friends stuff laying around. The initial cost of a boxed pwc trailer should be returnable if this doesn't work for you. The rear axle will be bigger than what you really need but its just a test to get a feel.
It doesn't have to be anything fancy.
Or how about finding a cheap small pickup bed trailer off CL. (Seen them for $150 or cheaper) Remove the outer skin panels to make it look better for a Jeep trailer (they are just a cover), configure a wheelwell over the tires, put all your stuff in it and give that a pull for a couple of days.
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I'd rather start from scratch. I already have most everything I need. Well with exception of the steel. I have my drawings all laid out. I could pick up the steel little by little until I get enough. I would like this to happen someday. It would be a great project! It's kept me up many a night thinking about it!
It would be something along these lines http://www.milspecoffroad.com/
But like I said earlier. It would only be used once or twice then it would sit forever. Maybe if my son wants to go on the multi-day trips but for now I can't get him to go on the 1 day trips.
I could borrow a trailer from someone in town. He has a M101 I think on 35's.
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Ok, that's fine. It was more of a test to get a feel if that would work for you. You can spend the time and effort to put a trailer together for your purposes.
How about a TJ body tub? There is one in KC for $300 (http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/1757455114.html). The owner replaced the tub after an accident and didn't go through his insurance. It has a few wrinkles but still altogether as a tub.
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And I've picked up a M416 from my buddy that moved. The packers wouldn't move it and he didn't have a vehicle to pull it as well. All his vehicles already was pulling some kind of trailer.
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I have seen a number of trailer builds using a TJ/YJ/Sami tubs. It seems to me starting from scratch would be a lot less work. Plus I could make it narrower than a Jeep tub. The plan would be to make it fairly small. The extra weight of a Jeep tub is also a concern. The do look cool, but I like the look of the Milspec trailer better.
Plus with the closing of trails and seasonal use limitations the Forest Service is implementing I don't see a big demand for a trailer. Seems like in a few years there won't be anywhere to go, let alone a need for a trailer to haul gear around in. :rant:
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Then I guess invest in some land, open up an orv private park, provide great campground amentities, have some 900 acres to wheel in the trails, etc. Lots of these opening up across the eastern and central parts of US. Always hear about them.
Its one of the reasons I picked up a toter, put a camper type of thing on the back, tow a 18' flatbed trailer, and pull the TJ around with it. I've put together couple of gear haulers for the Jeep in the past. Got to a point where they were too big for the stuff I needed or thought I needed to camp. The wheeling was based on a central camp and not like what you do. But that was several (ok 10) years ago. Since my kids are of mid-teenage years now, and I haven't been camping in a decade (lol), I put together a little luggage trailer 2-3 yrs ago. It uses a basic HF 40x49 trailer, 12" wheels, a 17cuft yard dump bed and its painted military colors to pull behind the Jeep when necessary. It basically hauled 1-2 night camping or a hotel/overnight bags.
Only thing I could think to help in your situation is the gear and tools. Lighten it up. Think what you can do with pre-maintenance on items, replace/fix what you need to in the driveway and go wheel it. Do you need all your tools or do others carry similar items and components with them. Take inventory between everyone and see about sharing the carrying of supplies. Usually, you probably wheel with friends with similar equipped vehicles. So parts and tool sharing is an easy thing to do.
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Every time I drive by a big tract of land for sale I think what it would take to make a OHV park out of it.
To my knowledge there are no private OHV parks in Ca, or most of the Western States. More of a mid-west,east coast thing.
I always post trip my Jeep by crawling under and making sure nothing has been beaten or banged around. I check the U bolts a few times a year. Grease everything that will take grease. When in doubt fix or replace whatever before the next trip. I hate to wrench on the trail. I'd rather wheel than turn wrenches.