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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: aka-justin on May 25, 2010, 01:08:56 AM
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I’ve been trying to price out an HID kit for my Jeep.
I happened to run across this epic thread about a HID conversion. There are some real literary novelists feuding over stinking HID kits. Thought you all may get a kick out of the feud and some nice info too boot. :fish:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f20/retrofit-hid-w-projectors-7-housing-958502/
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Good read....
I actually side with Sarge....I understand the desire of some to have the "true" original style, flat cut-off, you get with HID's on high end vehicles, but that doesn't mean a nice bi-xenon bulb can work well in a standard reflector.
Here is the one I am thinking of getting...only becuase they are nice enough to show the install in a video and working in the housing I actually have right now.
http://skinnypedal.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24_26&products_id=22
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Good read....
I actually side with Sarge....I understand the desire of some to have the "true" original style, flat cut-off, you get with HID's on high end vehicles, but that doesn't mean a nice bi-xenon bulb can work well in a standard reflector.
Here is the one I am thinking of getting...only becuase they are nice enough to show the install in a video and working in the housing I actually have right now.
http://skinnypedal.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24_26&products_id=22
i called skinnypedal this morning to inquire about the YJ kit - left a voicemail but did not hear back yet, i'll let you guys know if i hear from them
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Make sure they have true projectors in them. A lot of the H6054 (7x6) conversion kits seem to have a projector in them but with the back open to the main reflector. A reflector works ok for highs or off-roading, but you'll blind on comming drivers and may get a ticket. Thus, Sarge's rants in the post mentioned above.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f20/yj-hid-bi-xenon-projector-retrofit-1038504/
This guy did an semi ok job installing some projectors inside one of those conversion kits. (It's no better than the half hearted effort I may do on a quick run thru; example: my radiator mount.) Only problem is, if you drive anywhere offroad for any distance, I'm affraid his may fail (like my mount ;) )
Here's a video series a guy did with even more shortcutting. He uses vice grips to snap off plastic while cut off wheels and a dremel in reach ???
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imIiglkq7HA
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExaAFgvquE
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg_C_jtonZw
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ1repIX_UU
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or you could put on a light bar lol
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or you could put on a light bar lol
Problem with that is other drivers don't really like being blinded either. :lol:
I'd like to do HID's but there is a lot of controversy with the drop-in kits that reuse H4 housings. The other problem I've found is that there are slim pickings when looking for a 7x6, which is another reason for wanting to do the CJ conversion.
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My own self conclusion after some late reading last night is basically this: Since there doesn't seem to be a quick buy kit for this that's 100%, and I don't drive enough at night; I can't warrant all this effort and money needed to do it.
7" Kragen Offroad lights are good enough for me while I'm off road. I'm going to get two more for the front of my bumper.
If I would do it, it would be only vanity and I can care less how cool I look, so that's why I'll stick with the quicky off-road use only lights. ;)
I did post this just for the shear interest and learning.
If I drove in the mountains or on long stretches of road at night, I would be whistling a different toon.
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I hate the YJ's headlights. Frankly they are too dim at night. I always use my PIAA Fogs (yellow filter) at night and when it's raining. I aim my fogs down and to the right so they don't blind people too bad.
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I hate the YJ's headlights. Frankly they are too dim at night. I always use my PIAA Fogs (yellow filter) at night and when it's raining. I aim my fogs down and to the right so they don't blind people too bad.
that's why i'm looking at this too - the only thing is that i want the housings to be waterproof and from that vid it didn't look like it is, that's why i called them.
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that's why i'm looking at this too - the only thing is that i want the housings to be waterproof and from that vid it didn't look like it is, that's why i called them.
I doubt any are considered waterproof. The lights usually have a drain in case water enters it.
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I doubt any are considered waterproof. The lights usually have a drain in case water enters it.
the bulbs in that vid have a green o-ring but the adapter is just a piece of metal with no sealing, i bet the correct housing would be waterproof, i was wondering if maybe get some JB weld on the adapter to do the trick.
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the bulbs in that vid have a green o-ring but the adapter is just a piece of metal with no sealing, i bet the correct housing would be waterproof, i was wondering if maybe get some JB weld on the adapter to do the trick.
Maybe put a bead of RTV?
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Maybe put a bead of RTV?
yeah, or some windshield urethane sealant
i wonder if anyone used these http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/79-90-91-92-93-94-96-JEEP-CHEROKEE-EURO-HALO-HEADLIGHTS-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b203fc8eQQitemZ170490330254QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
and how they work compared to stock which suck a$$ for visibility at night
one think is that you can put some aftermarket bulbs in but the low beam which is the problem is usually 55 or 60 watts (from what i remember) and the high is 100 and i find that being acceptable
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I hate the YJ's headlights. Frankly they are too dim at night. I always use my PIAA Fogs (yellow filter) at night and when it's raining. I aim my fogs down and to the right so they don't blind people too bad.
I also hated my YJ lights. I changed to Xenon H4 lights, and they are better, but not great. I also use my KC SlimLites Fog Lights on a daily basis, but I swapped the bulbs to 55W ones (they are less bright and last longer). I also aim them down a bit to avoid blinding oncoming drivers, but I still get a lot of hi-beams turned on on me when I drive at night (especially on dark roads). Of course, they turn them down when I turn MY hi-beams (which, since I ussually have the switch on, also turn on the KC Daylighters with 100W of power each)...
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yeah, or some windshield urethane sealant
i wonder if anyone used these http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/79-90-91-92-93-94-96-JEEP-CHEROKEE-EURO-HALO-HEADLIGHTS-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b203fc8eQQitemZ170490330254QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
and how they work compared to stock which suck a$$ for visibility at night
one think is that you can put some aftermarket bulbs in but the low beam which is the problem is usually 55 or 60 watts (from what i remember) and the high is 100 and i find that being acceptable
I use something similar and its alot better than stock.The ones I have came with 85/80 bulbs and were awesome but they burnt out pretty quick.I will post a pic in a lil and rant and praise .
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For the price I paid cant beat em E bay 9.95 shipped.When I first got em they were nice and pretty and after awhile the inside has faded quite abit .On really rainy days you'll see condensation behind the glass ,and a glass reflector on the inside fell out of its housing had to epoxy it back-cheap ,but they light up way better even with 55 w bulbs then the sealed beams.The low beams on these are a hell of alot brighter then the high beam on the stock style(http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/brice03/Jeep/th_100_3478.jpg) (http://s800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/brice03/Jeep/?action=view¤t=100_3478.jpg)
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For the price I paid cant beat em E bay 9.95 shipped.When I first got em they were nice and pretty and after awhile the inside has faded quite abit .On really rainy days you'll see condensation behind the glass ,and a glass reflector on the inside fell out of its housing had to epoxy it back-cheap ,but they light up way better even with 55 w bulbs then the sealed beams.The low beams on these are a hell of alot brighter then the high beam on the stock style(http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/brice03/Jeep/th_100_3478.jpg) (http://s800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/brice03/Jeep/?action=view¤t=100_3478.jpg)
that's cheap, i'll look some more - the ones i found were about $40 to $45 shipped.
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that's cheap, i'll look some more - the ones i found were about $40 to $45 shipped.
I snagged them last minute in an auction,opening bid and nobody else bid against.The little blue lights in the bottom"city lights"they call em ,you gotta splice them in to power and ground-or leave them unhooked .Im on ebay quite a bit -window shopping-If I see some I will :spam: ya :roflol:
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yeah, or some windshield urethane sealant
i wonder if anyone used these http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/79-90-91-92-93-94-96-JEEP-CHEROKEE-EURO-HALO-HEADLIGHTS-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b203fc8eQQitemZ170490330254QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
and how they work compared to stock which suck a$$ for visibility at night
one think is that you can put some aftermarket bulbs in but the low beam which is the problem is usually 55 or 60 watts (from what i remember) and the high is 100 and i find that being acceptable
The only problem I can see with sealing the light up is that the heat coming off the bulb will heat up inside the housing and may cause condensation. I'm not sure about the HID units but condensation kills Halogen bulbs pretty quick if it condenses on the bulb. All of my Aux lights died when I was in Hawaii soon after I brought the Jeep over and needed to be replaced. I still haven't bought new ION's for my Cebies as they are hard to find. I know PIAA makes some but they're $60 for two bulbs. ???
I'd be weary with those cheap Euro conversions. I'd stick with Hella oe IPF. Hella makes a Euro version that's not DOT as well.
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i bought a set for $25 shipped and they come with 100/90w bulbs
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290437426166&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
i'll try and purge them with argon before sealing, maybe that will keep the condensation away
cheap enough to give it a try
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i bought a set for $25 shipped and they come with 100/90w bulbs
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290437426166&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
i'll try and purge them with argon before sealing, maybe that will keep the condensation away
cheap enough to give it a try
Definitely post a review on those lights. I have seen those on ebay and have thought about giving them a try.
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i bought a set for $25 shipped and they come with 100/90w bulbs
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290437426166&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
i'll try and purge them with argon before sealing, maybe that will keep the condensation away
cheap enough to give it a try
right on,they look like the ones I got.
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right on,they look like the ones I got.
i'm also looking at a 55w hi/lo HID conversion kit at about $70 shipped but i am unsure of 1 thing
my 1995 YJ was made for Canada and therefore it has the Daytime Running Lights module in it - not sure how that would play into the matter since the Digital controllers for the HIDs would come in play there - gotta do some research before i go ahead and do the conversion.
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i'm also looking at a 55w hi/lo HID conversion kit at about $70 shipped but i am unsure of 1 thing
my 1995 YJ was made for Canada and therefore it has the Daytime Running Lights module in it - not sure how that would play into the matter since the Digital controllers for the HIDs would come in play there - gotta do some research before i go ahead and do the conversion.
HID will not work with DRL.
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i'm also looking at a 55w hi/lo HID conversion kit at about $70 shipped but i am unsure of 1 thing
my 1995 YJ was made for Canada and therefore it has the Daytime Running Lights module in it - not sure how that would play into the matter since the Digital controllers for the HIDs would come in play there - gotta do some research before i go ahead and do the conversion.
would you get pulled over for not having the drl working?
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I've read that if you wire them direct to the battery (using relays) that the stock lights get quite a bit brighter. It seems the stock harness has high resistance and the lights don´t get the full battery voltage.
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I've read that if you wire them direct to the battery (using relays) that the stock lights get quite a bit brighter. It seems the stock harness has high resistance and the lights don´t get the full battery voltage.
Yes they get brighter but they aren't miracle makers. One of the problems is that the headlights are too close together which can't really be fixed.
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I hate the YJ's headlights. Frankly they are too dim at night. I always use my PIAA Fogs (yellow filter) at night and when it's raining. I aim my fogs down and to the right so they don't blind people too bad.
Replace the OEM lights with a set of Silverstar Ultras. They'll be plenty bright then. Mine make it look like white-blue daylight in front of me even on low-beam.
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would you get pulled over for not having the drl working?
i don't think so, but can definitely use the little bulbs for that (the city driving bulbs in those lights i got) - only thing is that i need to rewire the stupid DRL.
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I wonder how these are. http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=64057&langId=-1
LED's.
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They do look interesting. I would like to see some action shots my self.
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They do look interesting. I would like to see some action shots my self.
I dont trust LED lights enough for my headlights; it's not so much that they are not bright enough, but more that you need many individual reflectors to focus light, and I have yet to see one done properly...
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I wonder how these are. http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=64057&langId=-1
LED's.
that would be sweet although it does not specify how many lumens puts out. Haven't seen one in action yet.
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If they're as bright as my LED Mag-lite, I'd trust them. They have LED lightbars for offroad that are way brighter and stronger then any HID.
http://www.rigidindustries.com/category_s/64.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZPDQrrZLWY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B5DLyDICtc&feature=player_embedded
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I dont trust LED lights enough for my headlights; it's not so much that they are not bright enough, but more that you need many individual reflectors to focus light, and I have yet to see one done properly...
High-end Technology: The Full LED Headlights
The high-end solution on board the new A8 is the full LED headlights. They give the big sedan an unmistakable appearance even in daylight and even more so after the fall of darkness. Their revolutionary optics mean a departure from the large, tubular light modules commonly used today.
The low beams comprise ten individual modules forming an arc situated below the wing-shaped chrome contour known as the “wing.” Just below this is another arc of 22 white and 22 yellow LEDs for the daytime running lights and the turn signals. Their thick wall technology makes them appear from the outside as homogenous, continuous strips of light.
Located above the wing are the high beams, whose light is generated by two powerful four-chip LEDs and a free surface reflector system. An assistant switches between the high and low beams, and additional high-power LEDs generate the highway light and cornering light. A separate fan and heat sink moderate the system’s temperature.
The full LED headlights offer a number of functional advantages in everyday situations. With a color temperature of 5,500 Kelvin, their light resembles daylight and thus is much less tiring to the eyes. They also offer efficiency advantages. The low beams, for example, consume only 40 watts per unit, a bit less than the already highly efficient xenon plus headlights.
http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/exp/progress/Upcoming_Models/new_a8.html
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Yeah yeah, your always right jeffy... I missed the abovious. The ones you pointed out looks like it had individual relfectors. My mag-lite can really be focused.
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I'm going to just order some blinker fluid and call it a day. :lol:
Found this pretty funny site.
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2
Blinker Fluid
(http://kalecoauto.com/images/BlinkFluid.jpg)
Muffler Bearings
(http://kalecoauto.com/images/MuffBearing.jpg)
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I try to stay with DOT approved stuff, not interested in getting pulled over for having overly bright headlights. I like Hella Vision Plus. They are the closest thing to waterproof I have found. I found them easy to install and with a little silicone around the rubber sleeve they are fairly watertight. Brighter then stock.
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the jeep i just bought has an HID conversion. Cibie housings in stock location (TJ). I will post up pics soon. Seem decent on road and at night but they are some off brand I think.
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See? Jeffy just made my point... You want REAL working LED lights on your DD? You have to throw down some serious cash for an import sedan... There's a reason why these are only on the A8...
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See? Jeffy just made my point... You want REAL working LED lights on your DD? You have to throw down some serious cash for an import sedan... There's a reason why these are only on the A8...
Actually Truck-Lite is a well known company that makes lights for big rigs as well as other medium and heavy duty trucks. They are DOT approved as well.
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Actually Truck-Lite is a well known company that makes lights for big rigs as well as other medium and heavy duty trucks. They are DOT approved as well.
Oh, no doubt... I read about them in JP a while back. But I still will not go there until I see them myself working as they should...
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I'm surprised more people haven't posted on YouTube with the LED's.....two real videos and one is during day and the other just shows them on a wall about five feet in front of the Jeep for 4 minutes... :fitz:
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Digging up an old one here. I'm using the standard headlights on my YJ right now. I had tried out the Silverstars a few years back, but repeatedly had a problem with one or the other Silverstar blowing after a few months of use (this happened 3 times before I went back to stock). Note entirely sure all that was the Silverstars' fault, though -- most people seemed like they had good luck with them.
These days I've been looking for some better lighting as I it looks like I might use my Jeep for a couple of work-related trips in late spring and the summer. Looking around, I was thinking I'd probably go with maybe some Hella housings and Hella's H4 bulbs, or something along those lines -- maybe IPF/fatboys.
Then I recalled the HID upgrade kits out there. Had read mention that it was illegal to upgrade an older vehicle with HIDs, but I was still interested in seeing what's out there at least for YJ. The daylight-equivalent Kelvin temp these things tended to provide was impressive, also
Well, couldn't find anything... You guys know of any decent HID upgrade Kits for YJs? If not, I'll probably use some kind of H4 upgrade setup
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I have the Cibie Inserts (Non DOT) Euro Style lenses. (LHD!)
they have a clean cutoff, don't blind oncoming traffic
(Tested this in the rian with my wife driving the jeep
and me in our BMW so I could see it on a back road.
I am running the 55/100 bulbs in mine, on LB they are
decent, on High they are great on the freeway.
Never had any moisture problems, had them for about 5
years so far.. Winter hunting etc no issues.
The stock rubber bulb protector fits tight and works good.
I lost one changing a bulb int he dark and
ran without it for a couple months, had to take the lens
out and use a flexible brush to clean the reflector cause it got covered with dust.
Had to chime in on the jurasic thread :)
Dave
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I have the Cibie Inserts (Non DOT) Euro Style lenses. (LHD!)
they have a clean cutoff, don't blind oncoming traffic
(Tested this in the rian with my wife driving the jeep
and me in our BMW so I could see it on a back road.
I am running the 55/100 bulbs in mine, on LB they are
decent, on High they are great on the freeway.
Never had any moisture problems, had them for about 5
years so far.. Winter hunting etc no issues.
The stock rubber bulb protector fits tight and works good.
I lost one changing a bulb int he dark and
ran without it for a couple months, had to take the lens
out and use a flexible brush to clean the reflector cause it got covered with dust.
Had to chime in on the jurasic thread :)
Dave
That's an interesting move with the 55/100 bulbs. I guess low beam with them is solid and high beam is bumped up quite a bit. When you need hi-beams and there's nobody going the other way, the 100 must be pretty nice.
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I like it a lot, the only downside is when you go from high to low beam you feel like your blind for a second.... :)
Dave
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Did you get that setup through http://www.danielsternlighting.com/products/products.html (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/products/products.html), Dave? Seems to favor Cibie there over Hella. Personally wouldn't be surprised if Cibie "out-lights" Hella for the same bulb wattage
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Ive had both and the Cibie is better by far than Vision Plus, but if you can
find Hella H4 Euro housings (Not DOT) they are as good as the Cibie's.
I had them in the YJ till a metal post in a bush sent one to valhalla...
I couldn't find anymore so I bought 2 Cibie's as a replacement.
I have Hella Rally 2000's between the headlights with 150W bulbs.
Takes it to a whole new level. About a 2 mile illumination with my driving
lense units, with the pencil beams I can't even measure them..
I've had them on multiple rigs since 1985, Hit a grand Cherokee
once and put 2 10" circles about 1 foot deep in his rig.. They are tough...
Dave