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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: TN00TJ on July 19, 2010, 05:50:11 PM
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Just going back together after a frame swap where, among other things, I had the transmission out and removed the shift lever from it. No further work other than cleaning and a "rattle can overhaul" to the transmission.
With the skid plate installed, set the transmission over in the skid plate, then wheeled the frame under the Jeep.
Then, my son re-installed the shift lever but now we have a problem:
1st and 3rd want to wind up in the ashtray or somewhere forward of where they're supposed to stop so, obviously, we've installed the lever incorrectly.
What did we do wrong and is there a trick to finding the "sweet spot"?
Thanks, in advance, for your help.
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Just going back together after a frame swap where, among other things, I had the transmission out and removed the shift lever from it. No further work other than cleaning and a "rattle can overhaul" to the transmission.
With the skid plate installed, set the transmission over in the skid plate, then wheeled the frame under the Jeep.
Then, my son re-installed the shift lever but now we have a problem:
1st and 3rd want to wind up in the ashtray or somewhere forward of where they're supposed to stop so, obviously, we've installed the lever incorrectly.
What did we do wrong and is there a trick to finding the "sweet spot"?
Thanks, in advance, for your help.
did you get it 180 out other then that I don't think you can move it around that much. mine was just 4 bolts on top holding it down. does it actually shift ? only other thing I can say is maybe you got it in wrong.
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Probably 180º off. Did he unbolt the shift tower or remove the shifter from inside the tower?
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the plate that holds the shifter with 4 screws on top of the transmission is 180 deg off.
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The transmission was not disassembled. (Does nobody know what a "rattle can overhaul" is? :smile:)
The plate was never taken off so...it's probably just in backwards though it really doesn't look like that.
Oh well, I'll give it a try.
Thanks for the ideas, Guys.
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The transmission was not disassembled. (Does nobody know what a "rattle can overhaul" is? :smile:)
The plate was never taken off so...it's probably just in backwards though it really doesn't look like that.
Oh well, I'll give it a try.
Thanks for the ideas, Guys.
it can't be backwards, the bend in the lever would tell you that, that's why i was thinking that the plate could have been rotated.
the other thing could have happened is that there is a teflon or metal bushing/adapter on the ball at the end of the shifter where it goes inside the transmission and into the fork - if you lost that or somehow made it off the ballthen there will be quite a bit of more travel for 1st, 3rd and 5th towards the dash as well as 2nd and 4th towards the rear
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You say you did a frame swap, is the new frame/skidplate combo the same as the old? The tranny could be sitting at a slightly different angle or position versus the old setup.
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Well, Sharp, I agree about the bend in the lever and it LOOKs like it's installed correctly.
I have not had the top plate off nor have I done any monkeying around in that hole - matter of fact, it was taped up to keep trash out of it the whole time the transmission was on the floor.
And yes, I know the frame is a TJ frame because the VIN etched into it is TJ all the way - that plus the fact that I've made 10,000 comparisons between the two frams over the past 11 months if I've made one.
I hate the idea of pulling it out again to look for dislodged parts & pieces but I may have to do just that.
Whatever it turns out to be, I'll let ya'll know.
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If you didn't have the top plate off, then you must have compressed the spring-loaded lock collar in order to remove the shifter. It can be installed 180º, so I would check that first.
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On my 94, If you loosen the bolts under the tcase they are in slots,
You get an amazing amount of movement front to rear. Wonder of the skid plates
on Tj's are this way as well? I usually have to put a pry bar in and pull the engine and
trans to the rear then tighten the bolts.
Dave
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If you didn't have the top plate off, then you must have compressed the spring-loaded lock collar in order to remove the shifter. It can be installed 180º, so I would check that first.
You're correct - that's how I got it out and that's how Dave put it back in. (I would have done it myself but I was about have surgery on my shoulder two days later and was in no shape make the attempt.
I'm going to crawl up in there tomorrow evening and undo that collar to take the lever back out and see if I can see anything floating around in there. I may have to pull that top plate to get a better look.
Any cautionary notes before I do?
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On my 94, If you loosen the bolts under the tcase they are in slots,
You get an amazing amount of movement front to rear. Wonder of the skid plates
on Tj's are this way as well? I usually have to put a pry bar in and pull the engine and
trans to the rear then tighten the bolts.
Dave
Dave, the TJ has the same slots and that was one of the first things I checked. The amount of travel forward that it's making really couldn't be taken up by the length of the slots, however. At least, I don't think so.
Thanks for chipping in, though. :smile:
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If you didn't have the top plate off, then you must have compressed the spring-loaded lock collar in order to remove the shifter. It can be installed 180º, so I would check that first.
Wait a minute...are you saying the collar can be installed 180 out?!?
I didn't even think of that - duh. (He said, in front of the whole Jeepin' world)
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Wait a minute...are you saying the collar can be installed 180 out?!?
I didn't even think of that - duh. (He said, in front of the whole Jeepin' world)
I can't get my head around this one, would that offset the shifter? isn't that collar round?
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I can't get my head around this one, would that offset the shifter? isn't that collar round?
the top of it is but it bolts the the trans with 4 bolts thats rectangle so you can bolt it on 180 out and have the shifter bent towards the dash in instead of bent towards the seats
(http://dailydriventj.com/images/clutch/85.jpg)
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the top of it is but it bolts the the trans with 4 bolts thats rectangle so you can bolt it on 180 out and have the shifter bent towards the dash in instead of bent towards the seats
(http://dailydriventj.com/images/clutch/85.jpg)
that's what i was referring to in my first post (the plate with 4 bolts). As far as i remember my AX-5 tranny does not have that bend in the lever but the NV3550 that's on the Jeep right now does. If he's got that bend in the lever he should just check to see if the bend is towards the back (that's how it was on the 3550 i put in).
in this image you can see the AX-5 in the foreground (NV3550 in the background with the lever flipped - I had to do it as it was to far back in my case - i had to take the inside collar out to be able to flip the lever, i didn't try the whole plate but that might also work)
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g222/sharpxmen/Drivetrain_Upgrades/D300%20Shifters/D300Shifterstestfit4.jpg)
this is the way the NV3550 shifter looked like initially
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g222/sharpxmen/Drivetrain_Upgrades/Test_Fit_D300_NV3550/Test_Fit_3_D300_NV3550.jpg)
so in my case the AX-5 had a straight lever, is yours bent like the one in the picture?
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sorry about the pic being a nv trans I just wanted to show a close up of the 4 bolt piece. and was the best I could find on google lol
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sorry about the pic being a nv trans I just wanted to show a close up of the 4 bolt piece. and was the best I could find on google lol
no worries, i just thought there are more than 1 type of AX-5 when you posted that pic - i think it's an AX-15 as that plate looks different than the nv
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The photos really help and I certainly appreciate you guy's taking time to offer these ideas.
Let me repeat that all I ever did was depress the shift lever collar and turn it 1/4 turn anit-clockwise to remove the shift lever. Never did take the top cover off.
The bend in my AX-5 shifter coming out of the tower goes aft first.
Did I understand correctly or incorrectly that the COLLAR might have been clocked 180 out when we re-installed it?
I'm just about ready to bet the farm that we don't have the lever backwards but that's job-one for tomorrow morning.
Thanks again, folks.
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Sharp, the more I think about your comment regarding the collar, the more convinced I'm becoming that we just got the collar clocked incorrectly.
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Good call, Sharp LOL :dance:
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Sharp, the more I think about your comment regarding the collar, the more convinced I'm becoming that we just got the collar clocked incorrectly.
Actually the collar comment was from Bounty, i suggested the plate or the teflon bushing that goes on the ball at the end of the lever (which goes int he shifting rail under that plate we all talk about). I'd say take it back out the way you did the first time and play around with it :)
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Just razzin ya. Let us know what you find. I'm headed to the river :beer:
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Sorry for the faux pas. (Is it Chris?)
Anyway, thanks again for the ideas - will update ya'll tomorrow evening.
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Haven't forgotten to update - just too dadgum hot to work this weekend. Temps are supposed to be a little cooler tonight and tomorrow.
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DOH...
Should have dawned on me before this but it didn't...
With the motor out of the frame, the nose of the transmission is going to droop BECAUSE the little mount cushion is behind the transmission's center of gravity which, OF COURSE, will throw the shift lever forward in all positions.
Raise the input shaft to the height where it's gonna live with the motor in place, and everything becomes copacetic.
End of problem.
Incidentally, the locking collar can go in either way without affecting the pattern. I tried it yesterday.