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Going up to 35s when I get off the ship late spring.
A few things I need/want to consider: weight (I want to keep it light) and street drivability (it's not a DD, I want it to perform off road but I don't want a swamper).
My Toyos weigh around 71/72lb as a 33. I love them but their 35s are just too heavy for my little 4 banger.
I've done a lot of reading about the Kevlar MTRs. Weigh less in 35 than my 33s, people seem to like them. I've heard they aren't great in the snow but if you sipe the center lugs they hook up better.
I looked into Mikey MTZs. They weigh even less than the MTRs. But I've heard they wear poorly. They are very close to true size however.
My buddy ran KM2s but i feel like the MTRs may be tougher sidewall wise.
I also started checking out Nitto, I've seen quite a few guys on the West coast running them.
Lastly, I've been told to go with bias ply to save weight. But I don't see any that would be street friendly
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I have had pretty good luck with MTRs although I would say to look out for the load rating of the tire you get. I have 35" MTR on my 07 jk and my dad has the same tire but 1 load range lower on his TJ and he gets significantly more traction (even when I air mine down more). KM2s are nice on the street but i have seen to many lose sidewalls off road. my current favorite is Pit bull rockers but they are more of an off-road only tire like supper swamper TSL's but don't chunk out on the rocks like the TSL's do (they aren't lite either).
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Will probably go with these in a 32X11.50 15
could not find a weight but a 16 in this tire weighed 69 Lb.
(http://rimzoneonline.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/t/sttfull_19.jpg)
about $161 each.
Ps Running Coopers on my truck and really like the dealer where I got them.
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Will probably go with these in a 32X11.50 15
could not find a weight but a 16 in this tire weighed 69 Lb.
(http://rimzoneonline.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/t/sttfull_19.jpg)
about $161 each.
Ps Running Coopers on my truck and really like the dealer where I got them.
they are 69lbs at a 32x11.5?
Kind of heavy, i'd imagine the 35s are well over 70
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Finally found it 32 11.50 14 49 Lbs the 79 Lbs was for a 16".
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Finally found it 32 11.50 14 49 Lbs the 79 Lbs was for a 16".
Wow, 79lbs!!
Heavier than my Toyo. Man, those little squirrels must be screaming to get those things turning
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I got KM2s 35x12.5x15, they're ok on the street
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the 79 Lbs are 16's and Not on my jeep.
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I got KM2s 35x12.5x15, they're ok on the street
I'm told they don't weigh much, maybe less than 65lbs?
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I've run KMs and have one KM2 on the YJ. The KM2 has a much thicker sidewall than the KMs, ... and three of the KMs have survived a lot of trails (one did get a sidewall puncture on the trail) so I recommend the KM2 as a very good tire.
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I'm told they don't weigh much, maybe less than 65lbs?
I didn't weigh them but what I can say is that with steel rims they are lighter than my old 33x12.5x15 bfg m/t with alloy rims, not sure if that means anything
the M/Ts took a lot of abuse but were a bitch to balance, KM2s are much better for that so far.
and it was the best deal out there - can't remember the exact price but got them from Costco with installation and balancing included in price and $25 off each tire (was cheaper than getting them from one of the tire depots and pay for shipping and installation separate).
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I didn't weigh them but what I can say is that with steel rims they are lighter than my old 33x12.5x15 bfg m/t with alloy rims, not sure if that means anything
the M/Ts took a lot of abuse but were a bitch to balance, KM2s are much better for that so far.
and it was the best deal out there - can't remember the exact price but got them from Costco with installation and balancing included in price and $25 off each tire (was cheaper than getting them from one of the tire depots and pay for shipping and installation separate).
I did some digging around and I found that the KM2 are 60lbs each. That's the best weight so far.
I think this is going to end up between km2 and mtr
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i have to recommend these i have had them for about a week. they are gateway buckshot mudders. they are bias ply and road manners is well like a bias ply tire but hey go like crazy could be the best snow tire i have ever seen they come in two sizes n78-15 which is what i got they are equal to a 31-9.50 but they measure a true 31" and a p78-16 they are suppose to be a 33-10.5-16 the first pic it is leaned up against a 31-10.50 mounted on a 15-10 wheel
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/gomerkfx700/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/A8780382-9BC3-4BA8-8138-17181232F2C2_zpsnizbvfnl.jpg) (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/gomerkfx700/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/A8780382-9BC3-4BA8-8138-17181232F2C2_zpsnizbvfnl.jpg.html)(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/gomerkfx700/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/D8261109-2B5D-45DB-82E4-7B905617FAA3_zpshb9gmuon.jpg) (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/gomerkfx700/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/D8261109-2B5D-45DB-82E4-7B905617FAA3_zpshb9gmuon.jpg.html)
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nice! They look pretty aggressive. I'd like 35s though, really want the extra ground clearance
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nice! They look pretty aggressive. I'd like 35s though, really want the extra ground clearance
Buckshot's are old school tires. Hence the antiquated tire size.
I don't think you'll save any weight and on the contrary might be packing on more weight with bias ply tires. Those Toyo's are heavy though! Site says 69lbs. For comparison a KM2 is 67 lbs as a 35x12.5R15.
Honestly, if you can afford, it, I'd get two sets of tires. One set of TSL's and one set of AT's for street.
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Buckshot's are old school tires. Hence the antiquated tire size.
I don't think you'll save any weight and on the contrary might be packing on more weight with bias ply tires. Those Toyo's are heavy though! Site says 69lbs. For comparison a KM2 is 67 lbs as a 35x12.5R15.
Honestly, if you can afford, it, I'd get two sets of tires. One set of TSL's and one set of AT's for street.
Yes, the toyos are quite heavy. I saw mine listed at over 70lb in size 33. KM2 i saw listed around 60lb for 35s. At any rate, I feel like this will be between KM2 and MTR
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Buckshot's are old school tires. Hence the antiquated tire size.
I don't think you'll save any weight and on the contrary might be packing on more weight with bias ply tires. Those Toyo's are heavy though! Site says 69lbs. For comparison a KM2 is 67 lbs as a 35x12.5R15.
Honestly, if you can afford, it, I'd get two sets of tires. One set of TSL's and one set of AT's for street.
i ask about the weight comparing the n78 to a bfg km2 in a 31/10.50/15 and the guys at ntwonline.com said that they are 5# LESS and i also ask about the p78 compared to the bfg 33/10.50/15 and he said they were 6# LESS i was pretty surprised at his answers. and was pretty skeptical then when i got the tires/wheels and started changing them they are lighter then the master craft tires on 15-10 alum. wheels that was on it. you can tell it just by holding them. mine are mounted on 15-7 wheels so I'm sure that helps make them a little lighter.
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Yes, the toyos are quite heavy. I saw mine listed at over 70lb in size 33. KM2 i saw listed around 60lb for 35s. At any rate, I feel like this will be between KM2 and MTR
Those are the two main brands that just about everyone goes to if the have to drive on road a lot but still want an offroad tire. I'm pretty happy with my KM2's. I hear they are coming out with a 34x10.5R17 soon. I might move up to that eventually.
i ask about the weight comparing the n78 to a bfg km2 in a 31/10.50/15 and the guys at ntwonline.com said that they are 5# LESS and i also ask about the p78 compared to the bfg 33/10.50/15 and he said they were 6# LESS i was pretty surprised at his answers. and was pretty skeptical then when i got the tires/wheels and started changing them they are lighter then the master craft tires on 15-10 alum. wheels that was on it. you can tell it just by holding them. mine are mounted on 15-7 wheels so I'm sure that helps make them a little lighter.
They must have thinner sidewalls unlike the Interco's. Interco's have 6-Ply, IIRC. Though you're comparing a 31x9.5-15 with a 31x10.5R15 which does make a difference. The KM2's are kind of heavy since they have thick sidewalls though. Yeah, going from 15-10 to 15-7 will drop a few pounds of unsprung weight.
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Those are the two main brands that just about everyone goes to if the have to drive on road a lot but still want an offroad tire. I'm pretty happy with my KM2's. I hear they are coming out with a 34x10.5R17 soon. I might move up to that eventually.
They must have thinner sidewalls unlike the Interco's. Interco's have 6-Ply, IIRC. Though you're comparing a 31x9.5-15 with a 31x10.5R15 which does make a difference. The KM2's are kind of heavy since they have thick sidewalls though. Yeah, going from 15-10 to 15-7 will drop a few pounds of unsprung weight.
Seriously though, if I had a more powerful motor, I'd go with Toyo again. They were amazing tires. I've had this set since 2010 and still plenty of tread, great on and off road, great in the rain and snow. Fantastic overall. I just rather not push 75+lb tires
So km2 or mtr it is I guess.
I think the mtr has a tougher sidewall. Km2 looks like it has a better tread pattern for wheeling
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Seriously though, if I had a more powerful motor, I'd go with Toyo again. They were amazing tires. I've had this set since 2010 and still plenty of tread, great on and off road, great in the rain and snow. Fantastic overall. I just rather not push 75+lb tires
So km2 or mtr it is I guess.
I think the mtr has a tougher sidewall. Km2 looks like it has a better tread pattern for wheeling
The only problem I have with MTR Kevlars is that they look directional but they aren't. The KM2's have a pretty thick sidewall. I never checked against my MTR but those were thick too. The KM2 was created to be better then the MTR as the MTR took over the crawling world for a few years.
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MTRs are basically mounted one way on the rim...haven't seen them rotated backwards on the rim like those would do with MT tires....I've rotated my last KM2 set due to the rounding of the outer edges. Wheeled another year. Then sold set of 4 for cost of 2.5 new.
I've been running 35-12.5-15 KM2s for years. I'm on my second set. My TJ was a driver, wheeler, driver, but getting old myself, I prefer to arrive wide awake and wheel. So I use a trailer.
With my type of Midwest wheeling, I've only experience 1 sidewall slice (6" long) from a cut root. I've experience 1 puncture (2 Locus tree needles which took 3 plugs in the sidewall and held for 3 more years!). I've been known to wheel on my sidewalls and rims too.
2 vids on V-notch over various years...
http://youtu.be/XD6Q-tBnhgk
http://youtu.be/iHq_GhfRwNA
Yah, my rim's outer edge is no longer perfectly completely 'round'.