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chrisfranklin

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Bilstein Engine Flush Review
« on: January 27, 2006, 04:49:15 PM »
I have a 94 YJ 2.5L 5spd with 131k on the OD.  I bought it with 68k on the OD and the previous owner had apparently used non-synthetic oil.  As soon as I took possession, I began using synthetics.  Jeep has run well for the last 6 years with only some valve clatter at start-up and a little roughness once warmed.  

I usually do my own oil changes, but recently, I decided that it might be time to go to a shop that offers a Bilstein Engine Flush service.  After all, the Jeep had about 5 years in the hands of another owner and I really couldn't guarantee the regularity of the oil changes and the condition of the lubrication system etc. as a result.  

Naturally, I had heard all the talk about the Bilstein Engine Flush being nothing more than a cash cow for auto repair shop operators;  Click and Clack (the auto advice guys) basically stated the same, without any reservation. However, I use Bilstein shocks and had long been impressed with their function;  and, I was a little skeptical that a German company, like Bilstein (which provides parts for  Mercedes and other makes), would bring to market some kind of big, service-shop- Turbonator.  

So I had the Flush done, had a Mobil 1 301 Filter installed (1.5 time stock oil filter capacity) and refilled with almost 5 quarts of full-synthetic.  The Jeep runs like it's just had 100,000 miles trimmed off the OD. Any roughness is gone, clatter gone at start-up, quieter idle, revs super smoothly and basically feels like a brand new engine.  It's only been a few days, but I am impressed with the apparent results of the Bilstein Engine Flush.  Total cost for the Flush and Synthetic Oil change came to $127 at Sultze's Automotive, highly recommended auto repair and custom-machine shop in Norwalk, Ca (a 20 mile drive south of LA).  I talked to the owner and he said he has been providing the Bilstein Flush service for the last 8 years.  

Is the Bilstein Engine Flush a repair shop Wallet Vacuum or Scam?  Yes and No.  Shops that offer the service are suggesting that one should pay for the Flush service every 15,000 miles.  Frankly, sold to consumers in that manner, the Bilstein Engine Flush is a rip-off.  A Vehicle isn't going to see a major benefit having a Flush done every 15,000 miles versus the cost involved. But, you'll probably find the Flush service more than worth the money in the following circumstances:

1. On some newly-purchased used vehicles, generally the higher mileage examples.  
2. On vehicles that you expect to keep for a while; Flush perhaps every three-five years or 50-100k miles just to keep the engine running like it has low miles.
3. On vehicles run in exceptional conditions, say 4x4s regularly off-road in dusty conditions, farm vehicles, vehicles use for work such as construction, hard-driving such as taxis/messenger/delivery/police.
4. Prior to changing a vehicle from petroleum oil over to synthetic oil.  

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SMC4WD

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Bilstein Engine Flush Review
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2006, 10:49:47 AM »
What great information.  

It's geting about that time to change the oil and this sounds like a great idea.

I'll look around locally for someone up here.

chrisfranklin

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2006, 05:06:10 PM »
I want to follow up on this in a couple of months and see how much, if at all, mpg was affected on my YJ 4.  Would also be interesting to check and see if the full synthetic oil still looks relatively golden in color (the color  perhaps suggesting that the Bilstein flush mechanism has pressure-cleaned the lubrication system out thoroughly and vacuumed out any sludge particulates.

chrisfranklin

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2006, 01:00:09 AM »
Just a note: Sultze's Automotive in Norwalk, Ca. did not suggest that I get my Jeep Bilstein Flushed every 15,000 miles (this shop doesn't BS).  But, most shops offering the service generally do and Bilstein's own marketing materials suggest 15000 mile intervals between each "Flush."

chrisfranklin

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2006, 02:52:05 AM »
I just happened to have the hood up last night and decided I'd check the oil; this is 3 weeks after I had the engine flush done.

Normally I do something like this not too long after I change the synthetic oil and the dipstick shows oil that has turned decidedly dark and looks dirty.  

Anyway, I check the oil last night and the oil on the stick is still honey-colored and ths is after about 1000 miles of driving following the flush treatment.

chrisfranklin

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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2006, 02:45:34 AM »
Going on six weeks, 2000 miles after this flush service.  Filled up today and checked oil and oil is still clean, honey-colored.  I kind of figured that, at this point, I'd see some evidence of dirt or leftover sludge, but I don't see anything.

jwrape

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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2006, 05:30:25 AM »
I would say that is compared to Seafoam.
I just ran Seafoam through my oil change. Ran it for a whole day in my motor around town. About 40 miles around town. Went easy on it cause I knew I was running on thinned out oil. I used half a can of sea foam to treat the 5+ quarts of Castrol 10W40 and a Mustang oil filter(larger filter than stock).
I drained it that night and replaced it. The engine runs smoother, and accelerated smoother. The oil is still honey colored after a week and a half of driving 40 miles one way to work.
I am happy with the results and it cost me $8 for the can. I ran it through the fuel and the intake as well.

My Jeep 2.5L has 176k on the odometer but it has had over sized tires on it since it was a couple years old so I am sure it is more like 200k+.

fryedaddy

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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2006, 10:48:44 AM »
Man ya'll need to look into something called kerosene. I know it sounds crazy but if you change your own oil - drop about a quart out add the same amount of kerosene and run it for 30 min. All your doing is getting rid of the sludge thats in your engine. Those treatment you get at the auto shops aren't ripoff's if your not willing to do it yourself. I do this about every 30,000 just because it so easy and cheap. Will the engine look spotless on the inside - NO but it will break down all the large amounts of sludge that rob power.

jwrape

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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2006, 11:12:15 AM »
Quote from: "fryedaddy"
Man ya'll need to look into something called kerosene. I know it sounds crazy but if you change your own oil - drop about a quart out add the same amount of kerosene and run it for 30 min. All your doing is getting rid of the sludge thats in your engine. Those treatment you get at the auto shops aren't ripoff's if your not willing to do it yourself. I do this about every 30,000 just because it so easy and cheap. Will the engine look spotless on the inside - NO but it will break down all the large amounts of sludge that rob power.


True, Seafoam is mainly paint thinner. Other cleaners are exactly kerosene or paint thinner.  It just disolves some of that crap in the block like your saying.

joe-joe

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2006, 01:09:28 PM »
I am a big fan of a product called Auto-Rx. You can get it from www.auto-rx.com. I have run this in two jeeps and a cavalier with excellent results. Many engine flushes have hardcore solvents that can eat away at your engine seals.

For more un-biased opinions of Auto-Rx, take a trip to www.bobistheoilguy.com and go through the forums. Lots of people have used auto rx and it has rave reviews.

jwrape

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2006, 02:20:05 PM »
Quote from: "joe-joe"
I am a big fan of a product called Auto-Rx. You can get it from www.auto-rx.com. I have run this in two jeeps and a cavalier with excellent results. Many engine flushes have hardcore solvents that can eat away at your engine seals.

For more un-biased opinions of Auto-Rx, take a trip to www.bobistheoilguy.com and go through the forums. Lots of people have used auto rx and it has rave reviews.


I used that too. Didn't see as good as results as the Seafoam. AND it is $29+shipping per bottle.

chrisfranklin

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Bilstein Engine Flush Review
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2006, 02:37:03 PM »
Yeah, I've heard seals go bad on some, turbos that malfunction after.

If you do a pressure-type service-shop flush, you probably want to be fairly judicious about what vehicles you use it on.

That dented-up Police Package Crown Vic that you bought for a few thousand and that has 100k hard-use miles and only used petroleum-type oil? Probably not a great idea ("damn, I've never seen a an engine leak oil from so many places before...1,2,3,4, 5 leaks...call the Guiness Book")

That 94 Toyota Supra Turbo with 122k miles that you put everything into so you could upgrade it to 1000hp?   Probably not a good idea

That CJ you are the fourth owner of and that you bought off Ebay?  Probably not a good idea.

shotgun

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Bilstein Engine Flush Review
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2006, 03:02:59 PM »
Quote from: "joe-joe"
I am a big fan of a product called Auto-Rx. You can get it from www.auto-rx.com. I have run this in two jeeps and a cavalier with excellent results. Many engine flushes have hardcore solvents that can eat away at your engine seals.

For more un-biased opinions of Auto-Rx, take a trip to www.bobistheoilguy.com and go through the forums. Lots of people have used auto rx and it has rave reviews.


I had heard of auto-rx before, I tried several times to view the auto-rx site. Only the text and one picture came up. none of the links worked.  I had never been to bobs forums before but in the first 3 pages of searching auto-rx I only saw how do I use it type of questions. not I used it and this is the shiznit. I also didn't find anythin on bobs regular pages, in my quick 5 minute look around.

I appreciate the original posters, comments on the bilstein product. Your comments may influence a my future decisions. Pressurizing anything on a vehicle  sends shivers down my back.