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midnightcwby

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« on: March 21, 2006, 02:13:38 PM »
Thanks to all the information that has been posted on this board praising the effects of reducing the restriction at the Throttle Body by bolting on a unit from a 4.0l, I decided to jump on the band wagon and get one too.  I did some research on this board and other boards that identified problems with increasing one's throttle body bore and came to a few conclusions.

1. It would most definitely be advantageous to match the intake's bore to that of the new throttle body you're placing on top of it.  A little post by someone who did their homework (and some dyno tests) showed a drastic difference between just tossin' the new TB on, and actually taking the extra effort to mark the excess metal for removal, carefully removing said metal by means of a rotary grinder of some sort, and then carefully cleaning up the mess.  The improvement W/O any prep work was like 6hp (16% increased air flow) and after boring the intake's TB mounting surface, that number shot up to 13hp (29% increased air flow).

2. This mod seems to work hand-in-hand with the Throttle Body spacer... no duh!  The same individual that posted the dyno results of the previous mod posted results of that mod in conjunction with a Poweraid helix spacer.  After he had the Throttle Body spacer machined to match the bore of the 4.0l TB, the helix bore was almost totally removed (they allowed the helix bore to extend beyond the throttle body's bore when they designed it, this actually reduced airflow! Oops!).  This got him an impressive 24 HP (39% increased air flow).  Moral of the story, just find a spacer that matches the bore of your 4.0l throttle body, extra gimmicks and junk protruding into the air stream just slows it down!

3. Adding the provision of an adjustment to your MAP sensor would be an excellent complement to the above mods and to a modified exhaust system.  The ability to adjust your air/fuel mixture will prove to be extremely valuable, especially if your vehicle does dual rolls like mine (daily driver and weekend warrior).

This is where I'm going with my YJ so far.  I, of course, will post any problems/successes and other miscellaneous findings I come across in my quest to juice my 2.5l and make it more fun to drive!

jcguin

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2006, 08:52:11 AM »
24 HP increase sounds like exactly what I am needing.  I'll bet that would just about take care of my headwind issues.

Anyone know about what it would cost in parts to do on a 97 TJ?

jackhammer

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2006, 09:51:29 AM »
kepp us updated to help the slower folk like me

chrisfranklin

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2006, 01:51:00 PM »
I did a 62mm TB and, during install, didn't really seem to notice any excess material on the intake manifold intruding in to the flow of air.  Frankly, my 4.0L spacer didn't seem to be intruding much either, if at all.  And, I measured the 62mm TB as a confirmed 62mm.  

I own a Dremel kit and I'd be the first to grind with it if I saw any obstructions, is the thing.  It just didn't really strike me that I was seeing obstructions at the time of the 62mm TB install.  Maybe I missed something... :o

midnightcwby

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2006, 12:16:58 PM »
Cool, hopefully there isn't a large difference then.  I'll verify it when I do mine by first comparing the Throttle Body base gasket to the throttle body itself. Hopefully the gasket is the same size as, or smaller than if I use a 2.5l TB gasket, the throttle body. Once I verify they match, or trim it if necessary I'll have a template to measure everything else with.  If the friggin' thing is bigger than the bore of the Throttle Body then, I'll have to use some heavy card paper to make a template of my own.  I'll put a light layer of paint, or something that will transfer an impression to the intake manifold, on the gasket or the template (now that I think about it, I'll just make my own template from the start!) and seat it on the intake the way it would be if it was being installed - all centered and stuff.  When you lift the template, you should get a circle of bare metal that was smaller than the template's bore, surrounded by the paint or whatever.  I'll let it dry on the intake and touch it up if need be.  I can then grind off the area that didn't get paint on it if there is indeed enough to worry about.  The throttle body spacer can be checked in much the same way unless the helical bore starts a distance away from the gasket service. You should still be able to eye-ball it though and see if any metal is penetrating the templates "personal bubble". 8)
I'm under the impression that this problem only exists on Throttle Body spacers that have gadgets and widgets protruding into the air stream like a helix or fins or something to that nature. If your TB spacer doesn't have these gimmicks, you shouldn't notice any difference between your template you made and the bore of your spacer.  
Still waiting for my Throttle Body to ship for D-Town (father-in-law picked it up for me as a gift).  I will DEFINATLEY take pictures to show ANY difference in sizes that I encounter for you guys, keep in mind though, these measurements/tolerances might change from year to year and stuff.  Throttle Body spacers are different between manufacturers, too.  I'll let everyone know what I use when I get all the parts.
If anyone else does a TB swap, they should take some pics of the job while they do it and post them in the mean time.  Be a little scientific and try and find out just how much of a difference there is between the 4.0l Throttle Body bore and the stock intake manifold.

Ichytriggerfingr

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2006, 09:11:46 PM »
Howdy,

Well, I threw a 62mm TB with spacer on this past fall, and regrettably, didn't gather a whole lot of data about it, despite my best intentions. I know that there is a lip on the intake manifold, but I didn't grind it off 'cause I spent about an hour fighting with a stuck Torx on the TPS. By then it was dark, and I needed the truck for work the next day. I always figured that I would get around to it when I put on whatever intake filter method that I choose, but haven't done so yet. I hope to do that in late spring, as well as fix my leaking exhuast manifold. I remember that website that you mentioned midnight, from when I was doing my own research, and I'd say it seemed to be pretty spot on. I don't know that I could judge the difference of exactly 10 horse just through the seat, but I'm very curious to see what happens when I get in there with the grinder.

MA2LA

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2006, 04:33:44 AM »
While i was cleaning up my shop this weekend I decided to measure the intakes and TBs I had heres what I found,
stock 2.5 TB at base 48mm
stock 2.5 intake 55mm
stock 4.0 tb at base 56mm
  the ridge that is there with a 4.0 tb to the stock intake is very smal and not alot of material so its very easy to remove. I'm trying to find some one here localy that will punch all the 4.0 tbs I have out to 60mm and i'm going to make my own spacer. it seems like all you can find are 62 mm spacers. asnd is there any reason why alll spacers are 1" how about 2". ON a carb equiped motor it would in therory raise that power band but by how much it would affect the MPI who knows.  when my new motor is done I plan on going to the dyno so I may have to test a few diffrent combos.

BK2LIFE

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2006, 09:48:16 PM »
http://search.ebay.com/4-0-throttle-body_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsatitleZ4Q2e0Q20throttleQ20body

i dont know if anyone has seen these "bored out" throttle bodies

i am too going to do this swap, as it seems very simple and straight forward.  i am going to go one step farthur and remove the intake and port match it to the head.  its not hard to remove the intake completely, and it would be alot safer then guessing if you got all the shavings out of the runners.. and also port matching it to the head is just as simple as port matching the throttle body, and it adds more free power.  

ill also add pics

jackhammer

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2006, 12:22:33 AM »
keep us updated

midnightcwby

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Deal me in... I just got my 4.0l TB
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2006, 09:44:34 AM »
BK2LIFE,
  That's not a bad idea at all!  I planned on having my intake port matched to my intake gasket when I do a header (I'll have the intake off anyway).
  I'll have the head port matched to the intake and exhaust gasket later when I have the head off for a valve job or whatever.  I'll have the head looked at and see if the machine shop believes pocket porting and polishing will help flow too probably.