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joe-joe

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Transmission problem still not found
« on: February 20, 2008, 03:23:10 PM »
I still have a funky noise that no shop can seem to diagnose. I have a "bearing growl" in 3rd-5th gear. It loud enough to know that something is wrong but I have had it for almost a year with no other problems. I rebuilt both driveshafts, completely rebuilt my t-case (new bearings and seals) and still it makes the noise.

The weird thing is that when in 4 wheel high, the noise goes away and will stay away when I put it back into 4 high for a short while. The minute I hit a bump in the road it sounds like somthing disengages and the noise comes back (thats why I thought it was my t-case).

This is all on a 99 TJ 2.5L with only 60k.

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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 06:19:44 PM »
It would help if you could pin point the source of the noise, but that's not easy to do.  Just a couple of thoughts:  Have some one ride with you, and see if they can locate.  Open up the tranny cover and have the rider use a mechanics stethoscope ( or a long screwdriver) to locate source (on a smooth road of course).  If you have access to a dyno, you can listen from underneath.

I am assuming you've checked the oil level and quality in your tranny using the correct fill hole.  As you will read on some of the other posts, the 5 speeds on the 4 bangers are not real rugged, so I would definitely consider the tranny as a possible.  I have heard that the brass synchonizers don't hold up well when you run the factory recommended GL-5 petroleum oil.  Most of my buds run Mobil 1 or Royal Purple synthetic in thier transmissions.  An exception is if you drive in water and mud frequently, in which case the synthetic gets real expensive to replace on a regular basis.  Good luck.  :doggy:
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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 06:27:11 PM »
Does it go away in 4th gear?
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joe-joe

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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 07:08:49 PM »
The fluid is Amsoil Syncromesh so it has great fluid in there that will not hurt the syncro's. Also the noise is there in 3rd 4th and 5th gear. It is only there when accelerating. The moment I take my foot off the gas, the noise is gone. IT does not make any noise when I am coasting.

garydubf

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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 07:41:11 PM »
Have you inspected your rear differential lately?

joe-joe

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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 09:15:41 AM »
Rear diff is a swapped in Rubicon 44 that got brand new Yukon gears and Ox locker less than 12k ago.

My question is why would the sound go away in 4 high?

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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2008, 09:47:40 AM »
It sounds like it could be something in your front axle.  When in 4h, the passenger side is connected and this may eliminate the noise.  When in 2wd the passenger side may take a short while to disconnect and when it does you get the noise again.  With the front passenger side disconnected in 2wd, the drivers side is turning and the inner shaft on the passenger side will be turning in the opposite direction (assuming the front driveshaft is not turning and you have an open diff in front).   It might be a a bearing for the inner shaft or something related to the vaccuum shift fork or collar.
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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 12:16:58 PM »
My question is why would the sound go away in 4 high?

I am guessing it is because 4th is 1:1 in the transmission (as in the direct output from the engine is sent to the TC), but I am not sure...
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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 04:11:29 PM »
The reply from neale_rs makes a lot of sense to me.  When you shift from 4H to 2H, the disconnect doesn't happen instantly.  You could put the Jeep on jack stands, turn the wheels and listen for noise.  I'd also check the oil in the front diff.

From my YJ manual, this is general and should apply to your TJ:

The axle shaft, differential and pinion gear bearings can all produce noise when worn or damaged. Bearing noise can be either a whining, or a growling
sound. Pinion gear bearings have a constant-pitch noise. This noise changes only with vehicle speed. Pinion bearing noise will be higher because it rotates at a faster rate. Drive the vehicle and load the differential. If bearing noise occurs the pinion rear bearing is the source of the noise. If the bearing noise is heard during a coast, front bearing is the source.
Worn, damaged differential bearings usually produce a low pitch noise. Differential bearing noise is similar to pinion bearing. The pitch of differential
bearing noise is also constant and varies only with vehicle speed.
Axle shaft bearings produce noise and vibration when worn or damaged. The noise generally changes when the bearings are loaded. Road test the vehicle. Turn the vehicle sharply to the left and to the right. This will load the bearings and change the noise level. Where axle bearing damage is slight, the noise is usually not noticeable at speeds above 30 mph.

Based on this description, I'm wondering if it's your rear pinion bearing.
95 YJ, 31 BFG ATs, 4.0 TB & spacer, Banks header, DynoMax CAT back, 19# inj, AEM CAI, 20 gal mod, Optima yellow
98 TJ, 35 BFG Krawlers, 4.0 liter, ax15, atlas 5:1, armor, Super 88 (under construction)
96 XJ Cheep Cherokee, 33s, 4.0 liter, AW4, future project
89 Waggy, 360 V8 727 dana 44s, it runs

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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 05:24:25 PM »
Oops, I assumed it was a YJ.  But in general it seems like it could be speed related.
'95 YJ, 33 x 12.5 mud tires, RE 4.5 ED lift, Atlas 4 speed, rear D44, ARBs front and rear, 4.56 gears, 8000# winch

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Re: Transmission problem still not found
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 06:21:28 PM »
Rear diff is a swapped in Rubicon 44 that got brand new Yukon gears and Ox locker less than 12k ago.

My question is why would the sound go away in 4 high?
Because you splitting the power between the two diffs.   I have a yukon gear set in my tj and it made the same noise as you are describing.  Called Yukon and they said to back my backlash to .015" (way loose) to get rid of the noise.  Is the rubi 44 still acrush sleeve design for the pinion pre load?  I also had the factory crush sleeve fail (hard driving read "jumping")  also made some noise and caused the pinion seal to leak.  Good luck