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Mr_Random

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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2009, 12:09:48 AM »
The ecu probably has a  solid state memory that will retain its current state (1 or 0) when simply disconnected, but touching the terminals together will drain the on-board capacitors and erase the "1"s, setting everything back to "0". All that is speculation though...

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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2009, 12:25:50 AM »
The ecu probably has a  solid state memory that will retain its current state (1 or 0) when simply disconnected, but touching the terminals together will drain the on-board capacitors and erase the "1"s, setting everything back to "0". All that is speculation though...

When I did my 4.0 TB swap and the 62mm TB swap I just undid the pos. on the battery. I thought that it cleared the ecu. Maybe it didn't :confused: But I have not had any problems with either swap.
If it didn't do anything will it still take 50 warm up cycles to become readjusted?
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 12:27:13 AM by FourbangerYJ »
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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2009, 09:47:33 AM »
Got this off of Quadratec's website:

Jeep Electronic Control Unit Reset:

When installing new power or performance accessories how does the computer for the Jeep know that it has a new accessory?  Most of the time the computer does not.  The computer would need to be reset to take full potential of the performance accessories you have added. 

The Electronic Control Module, or ECU as its commonly called, stores the information for your vehicle and your driving habits in its memory.  The memory is maintaned by a series of capacitors that hold a charge and maintain power for the ECU when the vehicle is turned off.  The following procedure will allow you to reset the memory and allow the computer to 're-learn' how to drive by adjusting to the drivers habits and the vehicles modifications. 



1. Disconnect the battery by removing the positive battery cable. Remember, the positive battery cable.

2. Ground the positive cable to the negative cable for 30 seconds to erase the electric charge in the capacitors.

3. Reconnect the positive cable to the battery.

4. Turn the key to on but do not start.

5. Turn the headlights on.

6. Turn the headlights off.

7. Turn the key off.


The ECU has now been reset to its factory settings. For the next 50 warm-up periods the ECU will re-learn the engine and driving habits for your driving conditions and the newly installed parts. 

http://www.quadratec.com/jeep_knowledgebase/article-89.htm

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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2009, 10:13:25 AM »
Got this off of Quadratec's website:

Jeep Electronic Control Unit Reset:

When installing new power or performance accessories how does the computer for the Jeep know that it has a new accessory?  Most of the time the computer does not.  The computer would need to be reset to take full potential of the performance accessories you have added. 

The Electronic Control Module, or ECU as its commonly called, stores the information for your vehicle and your driving habits in its memory.  The memory is maintaned by a series of capacitors that hold a charge and maintain power for the ECU when the vehicle is turned off.  The following procedure will allow you to reset the memory and allow the computer to 're-learn' how to drive by adjusting to the drivers habits and the vehicles modifications. 



1. Disconnect the battery by removing the positive battery cable. Remember, the positive battery cable.

2. Ground the positive cable to the negative cable for 30 seconds to erase the electric charge in the capacitors.

3. Reconnect the positive cable to the battery.

4. Turn the key to on but do not start.

5. Turn the headlights on.

6. Turn the headlights off.

7. Turn the key off.


The ECU has now been reset to its factory settings. For the next 50 warm-up periods the ECU will re-learn the engine and driving habits for your driving conditions and the newly installed parts. 

http://www.quadratec.com/jeep_knowledgebase/article-89.htm

Thanks!
What happens if you don't do this? I just takes longer to re-adjust or it won't re-adjust because it does not know that the TB was swapped?
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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2009, 01:34:43 PM »
I don't know, there are differing thoughts on this.  Some people say the computer will adjust to and others say it wont because it doesnt know its there.  Now the other weekend I completely killed my battery on accident, and after I got it recharged and started it up my Jeep ran 100% better.  It didnt do any more of the high idle when it firsts starts up or anything like, and I had not reset the computer since I put the new PD kit, Injectors and 4.0 Throttle body.  So after that my thoughts are if it doesnt know than its not going to adjust or its going to take much longer to adjust

jonzjeepyj

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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2009, 04:50:23 PM »
OK, 

     I unplugged the + terminal and grounded it to the - terminal for over 1 minute.
I then turned on key (not start) and then flipped headlights on .  shut off the headlights and
turned key off.  From a cold I started it and within 20 seconds it did it again.  Idol dropped
off and ran rough for about 5 sec and check engine light came on and stayed on.  It then
went back to a normal idol after 5 seconds with the check engine light still on.  I shut off
the jeep and imideatly started it right back up and the check engine light went off.

Hmmmmmm ! ? ?

I read the codes and all codes normal except #13

The rest were ...
12
16 ?
33
62
55

I don't know? ? ?
John
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 04:51:40 PM by jonzjeepyj »

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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2009, 09:03:05 PM »
Sure you got the #16 correct?

Try replacing the MAP sensor, find a buddy to temporarily swap with if you don't want to buy a new one.

jonzjeepyj

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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2009, 07:57:33 AM »
I'll verify the 16 but I did it twice.  I'll let you know. 
#12 isn't on the list.  I thought that #16 was another # not on the list?
How much is a MAP sensor?
John

jonzjeepyj

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Re: Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2009, 01:21:42 PM »
Ah Haaaaaaaa ! ! !

I was doing some research on the MAP sensor problems and codes. 

No where does it say ANYTHING about the mysterious code *16* I was pulling.
I came across a trouble and repair article on a auto zone web page and it told
me how to test the MAP sensor. 

When testing the supply voltage at the MAP sensor terminal C,  the voltage should
be 4.5-5.5 volts.  At terminal 16 of the ECU wire harness connector the corresponding
wire harness terminal is #16  There is the code 16.
I'm guessing the wiring harness is going bad or a lead is loose.

Test the MAP sensor output voltage at the MAP sensor connector terminal B for 4-5 volts.
If you notice it's also telling you to test the output voltage at terminal #33 for the supply
voltage to the MAP sensor.
***(code 33)***


                     M.A.P. SENSOR
   
 The MAP sensor is attached to the plenum chamber near the hood latch.
It reacts to absolute pressure in the intake manifold and provides an input
voltage to the ECU. Manifold pressure is used to supply mixture density
information and ambient barometric pressure information that is necessary
for computing the air/fuel mixture. A vacuum line from the throttle body
attaches to the MAP sensor to provide its input pressure. A Manifold Air
Temperature (MAT) sensor is located in the intake manifold and measures
the air/fuel mixture temperature to allow the ECU to compensate for air
density changes during high temperature operation.


                       TESTING

         MAP sensor connector terminals




Inspect the MAP sensor vacuum hose connections at the throttle body and
sensor and repair as necessary.

Test the MAP sensor output voltage at the MAP sensor connector terminal B
as marked on the sensor body, with the ignition switch ON (engine OFF). The
output voltage should be 4-5 volts.

Test ECU terminal 33 for the same voltage described above to verify the wire
harness condition. Repair as necessary.

Test the MAP sensor supply voltage at the sensor connector terminal C with
the ignition ON. It should be 4.5-5.5 volts. This voltage should also be at terminal
16 of the ECU wire harness connector. Repair or replace the wire harness as necessary.
Test the ECU with Diagnostic Tester MS 1700, if necessary.

Test the MAP sensor ground circuit at sensor connector terminal A and ECU connector
terminal 17. Repair the wire harness, if necessary.

Test the MAP sensor ground circuit at the ECU connector between terminal 17 and
terminal 2 with an ohmmeter. If the ohmmeter indicates an open circuit, inspect for
a defective sensor ground connection on the flywheel/drive plate housing near the
starter motor. If the ground connection is good, replace the ECU. If terminal 17 has
a short circuit to 12 volts, correct this condition before replacing the ECU.

 
 

jonzjeepyj

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Bounty Hunter / Your Advice on Rough Idol
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2009, 03:28:31 PM »
I just wanted to update you and tell everyone that it has stopped and has
smoothed out a little more since I grounded out the battery and reset the ECU. 
It did do it a little while after I reset it but it has stopped now.  I think it was
seeing the inrush of air and trying to adjust. 

Thanks all for all your help.

John