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Jeep_Lust

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Electric P/S pump
« on: May 10, 2009, 05:34:27 PM »
I was looking for a clean way to do away with the engine-mounted power steering pump, and came across this link:

http://www.driveev.com/jeepev/convpgs/psteer.php

It's from a website of a guy who did an electric conversion on a Cherokee. He used an electric P/S pump from a Toyota MR-2 with the stock Jeep steering box. Takes a lot of juice at low speeds, tho. You'd want to have a good battery(s) and alternator. On a 4-cyl, if you use a vaccum-driven cutout switch for the alternator field (as I've advocated before) you could free up as much as 5 hp under full throttle accelation. And you can turn the pump off at highway speeds, if you like. It has a connection for a computer-driven speed adjustment, but you'd need to know more electronics than I do (would'nt be much!) to make use of it.

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Re: Electric P/S pump
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2009, 12:09:02 AM »
I don't know if a electric power steering pump would be my first choice for a swap, just with reliability in mind if you use your jeep on the trail. I do have to admit it would be different and kinda cool to see though. However I would not recommend "turning off the pump at highway speeds" it would be very dangerous to say the least. Yes I realize that p/s boxes are designed to still work manually in the event that the p/s pump fails, but they tend to be harder to steer then even a straight manual steering box when this happens. They are meant for emergency manual use only. Should you shut off your pump at high speeds steering will be extremely hard at best, needless to say a great way to get into a accident.
Now I'm not knocking your idea here, just probably not a great Idea to shut the pump off while driving. 

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Re: Electric P/S pump
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2009, 12:11:20 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if Jeep has to start moving in that direction -- replacing engine-driven power steering, water pump, A/C, fan with electrics.   Heck some of the JKs already have power windows.

I'm sure Jeep'll develop electrical power steering etc that's up to the job, can handle water, etc.    Probably going to need some change in under-hood battery to do it or make the whole hog move to some electric power-train version.  I personally think GM's Volt design is ok as far as electric powertrains are concerned.  There you've got an efficient gas engine (or maybe diesel) in the loop to keep the main batteries minimally charged after you run them down. But I suspect that even as we see these "more electric" Jeeps come on the market in the next 20 years, you'll still have plenty of people driving their older, gas-powered versions (and winching out the eJeeps  :lol:)
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Re: Electric P/S pump
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2009, 07:14:04 AM »
Yes I realize that p/s boxes are designed to still work manually in the event that the p/s pump fails, but they tend to be harder to steer then even a straight manual steering box when this happens. They are meant for emergency manual use only. Should you shut off your pump at high speeds steering will be extremely hard at best, needless to say a great way to get into a accident. 

Granted. However, it would be no worse than losing your P/S belt unexpectedly. P/S boxes are harder to steer because they a usually a higher ratio than a manual box.

When I was a kid, I would borrow a friend's old pickup, which had lost it's P/S pump and never had it replaced. It was a bear to steer at low speeds, but it was fine on the highway. I would certainly use great caution when initially turning off the pump, but the idea of reducing assist at high speeds is one of the things that I like about electric steering. My Jeep is too easy to steer, by my standards (but then I drove a '74 Brockway road tractor with manual steering, so my tastes may have been affected by early exposure to very stable steering.) Ideally, the proportional steering control would be best, and maybe the fellow at the electric Cherokee website will post a circuit that will control the pump.

By the way, Flaming River makes a pure electric power steering (no hydraulics) for their aftermarket steering columns & boxes. Way too pricey tho; mainly intended for the high buck street rod crowd.