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drunkencityworker

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2010, 05:05:34 AM »
What I've noticed is that TJs with open diffs, just due to the greater flex, can just about match an SUA YJ with a rear locker.  It may sound like I'm exaggerating but I've seen it happen on several trips on rocks (also see the Bash videos that I think Art posted one time).  With really low pressure, the tire provides extra effective flex about equivalent to the sidewall height (about 9" with a 33" tire).  Just estimating, this might be enough to bring a YJ close to TJ flex. I may be wrong but I've come to believe in the awesome power of flex and low tire pressure!

Its ok to love your tj more than a yj but I have to call bs on this one. I have put my yj in places my tj friends wouldnt go because I am a bit more stable. Also everybody takes a different line I have seen inexperienced jeeps go over stuff the  exp jeeper couldnt and vice versa. I have seen some open jeeps go whip thru some stuff that a locked jeep had problems. I am locked in front with lsd(8.8)in rear and theres no way I am trading my yj for an open tj. I have seen and pulled thru countless coil sprung jeeps where the flex and the line they chose caused them to spin a tire or 2. The further an axle is stuffed in one side the higher the chance the droop side is going to loose traction exp in an open rig.

I agree that low tire pressure has no substitute in certain if not all situations giving the tire the abililty to wrap around a root/rock/rutt. This isnt due to flex however its due to increasing the surface area thats making contact.

I went with the gy mtr mostly because of the tougher side walls and the fact I will be airing down further now that I have bead locks.

No 2 rigs are exactly alike and no one rig is hands down the better rig in all situations. The only thing that matters is that you are out there enjoying your rig picking lines and having fun.

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2010, 07:53:35 AM »
I'll agree that it's not all about the flex.  Unless you're running airshocks, mega flex generally just fatigues springs prematurely and creates an unstable rig :fish:

drunkencityworker

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2010, 05:24:13 PM »
My rubber sold for 450 today. Enough for 2 tires and still have rims to sell. Hopefully I will get 4new tires and only have to pay for one. Then will be saving for the spare

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2010, 05:34:33 AM »
Can someone measure the distance on the outer lugs on bfg km and bfg km2...the goodyears alternate between 1,1 1/4 and 1 1/2. I am thinking if gy clogs too much I can always groove since I bought these for the stronger sidewall

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2010, 08:08:06 AM »
Its ok to love your tj more than a yj but I have to call bs on this one. I have put my yj in places my tj friends wouldnt go because I am a bit more stable. Also everybody takes a different line I have seen inexperienced jeeps go over stuff the  exp jeeper couldnt and vice versa. I have seen some open jeeps go whip thru some stuff that a locked jeep had problems. I am locked in front with lsd(8.8)in rear and theres no way I am trading my yj for an open tj. I have seen and pulled thru countless coil sprung jeeps where the flex and the line they chose caused them to spin a tire or 2. The further an axle is stuffed in one side the higher the chance the droop side is going to loose traction exp in an open rig.

I agree that low tire pressure has no substitute in certain if not all situations giving the tire the abililty to wrap around a root/rock/rutt. This isnt due to flex however its due to increasing the surface area thats making contact.

I went with the gy mtr mostly because of the tougher side walls and the fact I will be airing down further now that I have bead locks.

No 2 rigs are exactly alike and no one rig is hands down the better rig in all situations. The only thing that matters is that you are out there enjoying your rig picking lines and having fun.

Congrats on the tire sale.

So it sounded like I own a TJ!  I'm a fellow '95 YJ owner with a rear locker and also would not trade it in for an open diff TJ.  I also used to scoff at mega flex, but several open diff TJs (one was even being driven by a novice) and even XJs have impressed me and have convinced me that more flex really does help.  For example, nobody would willingly build a rock buggy with SUA YJ flex, it just wouldn't make sense; the important thing is to have balanced flex front vs. rear.  As for tires providing effective flex, just try an RTI ramp with high and low pressure in the tires.  I also agree with the extra bit of stability of the YJs, they tilt noticeably less on off camber slopes.  

« Last Edit: November 16, 2010, 08:35:30 AM by neale_rs »
'95 YJ, 33 x 12.5 mud tires, RE 4.5 ED lift, Atlas 4 speed, rear D44, ARBs front and rear, 4.56 gears, 8000# winch

drunkencityworker

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2010, 10:26:38 AM »
I havnt ever put my rig on rti ramp. Is there a difference wether aired down?

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2010, 10:56:43 AM »
There is some difference.  If you look at my avatar pic, just imagine the left front tire (up on the berm) compressed so that the rim is a few inches lower to the ground (also the right rear tire).  These same inches are how much taller the berm could be without the left rear tire coming off the ground.
'95 YJ, 33 x 12.5 mud tires, RE 4.5 ED lift, Atlas 4 speed, rear D44, ARBs front and rear, 4.56 gears, 8000# winch

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2010, 02:16:39 PM »
just because a tire is on the ground doesn't mean you will have traction and can go. when i was at the palo duro jeep jamboree 3 years ago we where behind an xj that had amazing amount of flex jet it seemed to loose traction and get stuck on most obsticals. flex helps, but i would have rather had my yj iwth the rear lcoekr than that xj that was open with tons of flex. but like has already been stated the driver can make a big difference.
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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2010, 05:25:39 PM »
The driver is a huge variable.  That's why I would love to be able to do all the testing myself...so I need to buy some beadlocks, some bias ply Super Swampers and a lifted TJ on 33s!  Sure would be fun.
'95 YJ, 33 x 12.5 mud tires, RE 4.5 ED lift, Atlas 4 speed, rear D44, ARBs front and rear, 4.56 gears, 8000# winch

drunkencityworker

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2010, 07:43:52 PM »
Anyone have those measurements of distance between lugs on km2 and km

drunkencityworker

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2010, 05:12:36 AM »
bfg km alternates between 1 1/4 and 1 1/2
bfg km2 is around an inch
gy mtr/k alternates between inch, inch 1/4 and inch and 1/2

this is the distance between lugs where mud would clog.
so the goodyears should be comparable compared.
I will let ya know after some real world testing.


best thread I could find on this..  http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f96/bfg-mud-terrain-km2-goodyear-mt-r-1115396/index4.html

GY is taller and lighter

drunkencityworker

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2010, 04:05:09 AM »
Seems the mtr/k is taller than the bfg as well.

al mounted up now if I can remember how to post pics on here

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Re: goodyear mtr
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Offline neale_rs

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Re: goodyear mtr
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2010, 09:59:13 AM »
Looks good!
'95 YJ, 33 x 12.5 mud tires, RE 4.5 ED lift, Atlas 4 speed, rear D44, ARBs front and rear, 4.56 gears, 8000# winch