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SMC4WD

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« on: June 10, 2006, 03:18:21 PM »
I've searched the word 'seaform' and came up with most of the answers I've been looking for.  But I still want to know your thoughts.

I went to smog my Jeep and it failed on the idle side of the test. I bought a cap and rotor from the dealer (factory stuff is the best stuff!).  I bought some NGK v-power plugs and some seafoam.

So the seafoam question...  For those of you who've used it.  I want to put it in my gas....  It says to add it to a full tank, run that whole tank and then, or course add another full tank without the seafoam.  

I assume this will clean out my injectors...  Maybe clean up some of the carbon build up on the top of the piston, and/or bottoms of the valves.

Maybe this will help with the emissions, maybe it won't.  The first test was $15.00, the second one is free...  anyone after that is $15.00 again...  :roll:

I'm hoping on some suggestions here...

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2006, 03:03:37 AM »
I poured it directly in the throttle body, I've heard others use the vacuum.  Crazy thing is, after following the instructions to the "T", I got no smoke...  The rest went in my tank.

As far as smogging is concerned, I don't need to where I live, so I can't help you there.  I'd say do it, it still may not pass, but it can only help.

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2006, 04:22:29 PM »
To get alot of smoke, it's best to leave the seafoam sit a few hours. (not 5min like recommended) even overnight. If you try that next oil change you'll see some smoke.

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2006, 04:44:57 PM »
Are we trying to get smoke here??

So if I pour an ounce into the Thottle Body, and maybe the rest into a full tank of gas, I can't go wrong, right??  

As far as it helping pass smog or not, it couldn't hurt....

I did the spark plugs over the weekend (dealer got me the wrong rotor) and the old plugs looked great.  So I'm hoping that if I disconnect the Turbo City MAP sensor and drive it around even nore, so it's nice and juice hot, it'll bring that low idle CO down.

I'll I can do is cross my fingers...

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2006, 09:24:48 PM »
seafoam is awesome. I heard from a friend that auto repair places have a secret using the foam.  They take the can and some how clamp the bottom of the can for some reason and place the vacum line from the brakes master cylinder through the top of the can.  Then start the engine and not rev the engine up.  He told me depending on the carbon build up on how much smoke should come out. After the can emptyed the motor could be reved up only slightly and then once the smoke stopped the engine is free to do what ever. i don't recommend this but made me want to buy the stuff for my tank. Basically this stuff is bad ass
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2006, 06:28:04 PM »
SeaFoam makes a product called "Deep Creep". This product is the easiest method of getting the stuff directly into your intake.  Take the air tube off at the throttle body after you've run the engine long enough to get it up to normal operating temp. *this is the most important part so the seafoam can actually do the best job removing carbon buildup*  after the engine is hot, remove the intake tube at the throttle body.  DeepCreep allows you to spray it in any direction, even upside down, so spraying it into the intake is an easy proposition.  Once you have the intake tube off the throttle body, start the engine and let it idle for a second or two.  When it's idling at it's normal idle speed, use your hand to operate the throttle plate and begin spraying the seafoam directly into the throttle body. Use the throttle to keep the engine running while you are spraying.  I use about 25%-30% of the can while the engine is running.  It'll start stumbling and will probably try to stall, but I haven't been able to stop the engine with this stuff, so it's best to have an assistant to turn the key off for you.  Once you've got about 1/4 of the can sprayed through the engine, have your assistant turn off the key while your still spraying. This will ensure un-burnt seafoam is allowed into the combustion chamber as the engine stops.  After the engine stops, open the throttle plate all the way and continue to spray for a few more seconds paying special attention to hit any carbon deposits that build up around the throttle plates sealing surfaces in the throttle body bore.  If the deposits are very heavy on the backside of the throttle plate or on the throttle body's bore, you may want to use a shop towel or tooth brush to free up the hard deposits.  I too agree that the 5min suggested time is WAY too short for this stuff to do a really good job.  I usually let it sit for 15-30 mins at least.  Once your pretty sure you got all the carbon you can see removed from the throttle plate and the throttle body, take a break and have a beer or a coke while the seafoam works it's chemical magic.  Once you've waited for the stuff to penetrate, reconnect your air tube and fire it up.  I usually hold the throttle at WOT until it clears at least 2 of the cylinders and can run on it's own (try not to rev it above 3 grand for the first few minutes as the seafoam has effectively "washed" the cylinder walls and will allow considerable oil blow-by until the rings have had a chance to clear themselves of the leftovers).  Once the engine is idling fine on all 4 (you should notice a smoother idle than before the procedure)  the vehicle should be driven for at least a mile so the remainder of the seafoam can be sucked out of the crevices of the intake manifold.  I prefer to drive it "spiritedly" for the first mile or 2 making a note to use the engine to decelerate the vehicle from a moderate rpm. (about 3.5g or so) a few times to help 'exercise' the rings.  This, in conjunction with a few full throttle takeoffs, effectively expand and contract the piston rings against the cylinder walls (just like breaking a new engine in).  The reason for this is it gives the seafoam a chance to work it's way into the rings and break up any sludge that might be causing sticky rings and oil blow-by before the seafoam is all burned out.  This stuff is indeed O2 sensor safe from what I can tell.  I've done a pre and post inspection of my O2 senor on an older car I had when I used to do this procedure at the Chevrolet garage I worked at.  The O2 sensor was Noticeably cleaner and healthier 'looking' than before the run, verifying that seafoam's cleaning effect does indeed continue beyond the combustion chamber.  I've also never had a problem with converter's running this stuff.  As a matter of fact, I was able to 'save' a converter after a car blew a hole in a piston and sent a lot of oil through the exhaust system.  After a few treatments, the foul odor coming from the tail pipe was gone and there didn't seem to be any lack of performance after a new engine was installed.  This is nice stuff indeed!
     I also run one full can in the fuel tank at every oil change and at least once in between oil changes.
     As far as running it in the crankcase before an oil change, I can't comment on that.  I'm sure the best time to do it would be once the engine is up to temp., and then it should only be run for 15-30 mins., and the car shouldn't be driven anywhere while it's in.  I personally use AmsOil motor flush for this purpose, and before that I used Marvel Mystery Oil, also a good product for this purpose.
     I just performed the intake procedure on my jeep yesterday, then took it for a spin on the highway.  The idle is smoother again and pickup is restored back to normal.  My jeep runs a little on the rich side still, so doing this once a month or so is a must to keep it from fouling up too much.

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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2006, 11:34:00 PM »
midnightcwby

That was a wonderful write up.  First, I can't believe you wrote that much.  Second, I can't believe I read it all...  But I did.  

I have to try this...  The seafoam that I got was not the "Deep Creep"... It was the motor oil treatment.  So I've got to go get that one you were speaking of...

If it works as good as you say, and you certainly are adamant about it...  I'll give it a try!  

Thanks for the great advise!!!

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2006, 11:54:38 PM »
I've used seafoam and sucked it into the intake via vacuum per the instructions, using the brake booster vacuum.  The instructions tell you to turn the jeep off and let it sit a while with the seafoam in the system.

No emissions test here, can't help ya there.

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2006, 05:40:57 PM »
Well I tried the Seafoam into the fuel and intake...  The I bought 'Deep Creep' and sprayed that down the intake too.  

I changed: Spark Plugs (gapped to .035), spark plug wires, cap, and rotor. I disconnented the MSD ignition and blaster coil.  I disconnent to Turbo City MAP sensor and cleaned out to K&N air filter.  I blew though all the PVC tubes.  I went an had my exhaust re-welded at a few of the connection points.

I drove it until it was at operating temp. and a bit beyond (180 degree thermostat).  

I failed again...  on the idle (still) and it was the CO...  

The only thing I haven't changed (yet) is the O2 sensor.  I looked at it this weekend and it's on there pretty tight.  I figure that I better have a new one at my side when I decide to that this one off since I'm normally breaking parts off instead of being calm and cool about it..

So in the mean time, the sun is shining in Washington.  The top and doors are off of it and it's sitting in the carport...

3 day trip permit cost me $24.00 and it's undated.  I think I'm saving it until I can get it smoged again :(

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2006, 06:19:07 PM »
I have yet to change my driver's license so my Jeep hasn't seen the smog test.  I'm pretty sure if mine fails it will probably be on the idle portion as well.  I'm already planning on changing my O2 sensor as well.  I went to a auto parts store and bought an O2 sensor socket kit that includes several types of sockets to pull off virturally all O2 sensor types.  I "rented" it for $15 but the guy working the counter was a friend of mine so he conviently left off my contact information, so I don't have to return it.  That was swell of him!  That makes pulling the sensor a breeze.  I hope changing it works for you!  BTW, do you have a heated sensor or not? (one wire from sensor=non heated=cheap, 3 or more wires from sensor=heated=pricier.)  Good luck!

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2006, 10:46:06 PM »
Mine's a 4 wire style ($$)...  

Renting a tool, huh :?  That sounds like a good idea.  I've got to spray the bajeebers out of it first.  PB Blaster and a special tool just might do the trick ;)

(It's better than paying someone)

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2006, 02:50:50 PM »
Yea, getting an actual O2 sensor socket is SO much easier than trying to get a wrench to not eat the sensor's shoulder...

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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2006, 05:58:34 PM »
Got some info I thought I'd pass out before taking the O2 sensor out...

Get the engine really hot, or at minimum, operating temp.

#1.  Using a spray bottle, spray water into the throttle body.  Not alot, just bits, enought to blow out some of the carbons built up inside.

#2.  Add (at a capful at a time) ATF.  Add the whole bottle if you can.  It's detergent and it'll also help to clean out the remaining carbons.

#3. Change the oil!  Imporant to get any of the oil out, new oil and filter in.  Immedaitely drive it to the emissions station.

#4.  If you're really wanting to help the CO, loosen the connection between the header and the exhaust.  Drill some holes in the muffler or pipes and them fill the hole with sheet metal screws when you do pass.  (I know know I'll pass on that last one, unless drastic measures are required).

We'll see....

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2006, 06:44:14 PM »
GL! wish you well on the test!

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2006, 02:19:36 PM »
Marvel mystery oil is a good replacement for ATF in that above procedure.  It burns a bit cleaner and adds fewer deposits on your exhaust valves and sparkplugs.  It's supposed to be O2 sensor safe and converter safe as well.  The water is definitely a good way to remove carbon, old hot-rodder trick, but as you said, a little goes a long way.  Lots of damage can be done to an engine with water.  Like you noted, make damn sure the engine is at operating temp before you start spraying, and a Windex bottle seems to be a great way to mist and atomize the water before it enters the throttle body.  I wouldn't actually use Windex instead of water though ;)  Anyway, let me know if the O2 sensor change helped pass the test!  Good luck bro!