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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2010, 06:58:10 AM »
Alright I'll find the white/yellow wire in the bundle to the PCM.

forgot to mention, mine is a '95 and I'm pretty sure the 94 is the same, i'm not sure about the 92-93 if the wire color is the same.
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2010, 02:34:10 PM »
95 probably is the same as '94.  I think I read that 93-95s all used PCMs.   Turbo City kind of gives these one size fits all directions and seems to assume you know you're way around your Jeep's wiring or have a shop manual.  I am going to have to peel back the taping or plastic wire tubing and see if I can locate a yellow/white wire in the bunch.
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2010, 02:47:39 PM »
95 probably is the same as '94.  I think I read that 93-95s all used PCMs.   Turbo City kind of gives these one size fits all directions and seems to assume you know you're way around your Jeep's wiring or have a shop manual.  I am going to have to peel back the taping or plastic wire tubing and see if I can locate a yellow/white wire in the bunch.
it is white/yellow and not the other way around - it means a white wire with a yellow line (stripe) on it. 91-95 were all MPFI but someone here had a 91 or 92 and he mentioned the wire colors were different on the O2 sensor (and that got me thinking) - if you have a 94 or 95 then the white/yellow is the correct one.
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2010, 03:10:54 PM »
This sounds like a movie where their defusing a bomb -- "is it the white wire with the yellow stripe or the yellow wire with the white strip?! They look the same!" :lol:

Looking at this site, it looks like the guy attached the 12V wire to a wire on the diagnostic port of his XJ.  http://www.jeep-xj.info/HowtoMAPsensor.htm
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2010, 09:59:23 PM »
This sounds like a movie where their defusing a bomb -- "is it the white wire with the yellow stripe or the yellow wire with the white strip?! They look the same!" :lol:

Looking at this site, it looks like the guy attached the 12V wire to a wire on the diagnostic port of his XJ.  http://www.jeep-xj.info/HowtoMAPsensor.htm

you need a switched 12v that is on when you crank the engine (when the starter is turning), i know the PCM switched 12v is on then,  not sure about the diagnostic port, if you verify and it's on then it is a good choice, most of the accessories are off when you crank it, not sure about the diag port (could be).
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2010, 11:42:29 AM »
I heard back from Turbo City with a little more information on wiring: 

"Hi,

There are several solenoids under the hood that are powered with the key on.
Disconnect one of the connectors and with the key on, one wire will be "hot"
12v, the other will go to the computer. The computer grounds the solenoid to
activate it. Connect the white power wire of the MAP adjuster to the hot
wire.


You can use a straight pin to back probe the original connector on the map
sensor. It is smaller than a paper clip. The stock MAP sensor must be
connected and the key must be on to read voltage.

Thanks"
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2010, 09:52:41 PM »
I was Art's place in Ontario, Ca. today and he gave me some pointers and helped me get this MAP adjuster installed.   Thanks again, Art!  :biggrin:  
We found the stock voltage reading on the map sensor was 4.63V .  This falls in to the range the Turbo City directions suggested that most stock Jeep map sensors would read at, which was 4.60-4.85V

With the stock voltage obtained, you then plug the Adjustable Map between the stock Map connector and the Map Sensor itself (this is just for YJ 2.5s;  TJs need you to do a bit more wiring and the Turbo City kit includes what's needed).  

Then there's a long white wire on the Adjustable Map that you need to run to the side to connect to a +12V Key On Wire.  
I started looking around the engine bay for the PCM and we identified it as behind the coolant and windshield washer fluid containers.  

These containers looked like they were going to have to be removed to get to the PCM.  So we looked around to see what else was available.

We ended up finding a 12V source on a exposed electrical connection very close to the PCM -- turned the ignition to on, did a voltage check on one of the end connections on the connector and found it reading 12V on and 0 switched off.  The connector wire we ended up connecting the adjuster's 12V wire to happened to be white with a yellow stripe (wire color I would have been looking for if we had used 9 on the PCM)

So we went ahead and connected the white wire from the adjuster to that using the multi-lock connector included with the adjuster.  

Once you get everything connected, the Turbo City directions advise you to turn the little plastic screw on the adjuster so that it is .2V higher than your original reading -- in this case, this would be 4.83V

So with the multimeter still connected, I turned the screw on the adjuster and took it up from 4.63V to roughly 4.83V according to the multimeter. (This adjuster is a little tough to dial in precisely in .01V increments -- the multimeter showed 4.82V after a lot of trial and error, so I just left it at 4.82V for the time being)  

I then drove it around and on the highway for about 20 minutes and came back.  It drove better all around just with this little .2V adjustment.  

Obviously, I'll certainly experiment with settings higher than just 4.82V and see how it then drives on the city/highway.  And I can always pull the adjuster or probably even just set it to the stock map reading -- 4.63V -- for emissions tests.  

Do think it would be decent to have 02 Sensor-based readout for A/F so you could adjust raise the voltage to achieve a specific AF ratio with your current setup or even with additional modifications.  So I might see what's out there along those lines.  

I'll take a few photos of the adjuster in place and where we wired it to.    








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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2010, 10:44:48 PM »
...
 The connector wire we ended up connecting the adjuster's 12V wire to happened to be white with a yellow stripe (wire color I would have been looking for if we had used 9 on the PCM)
...

what a surprise  :roflol:
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2010, 07:16:22 AM »
I've been meaning to ask:  what voltage are you guys with adjustable maps running yours at? 
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2010, 05:41:14 PM »
We plugged it into the ignition hot on the Chrysler diagnostic connector.
Chris the best way to get it adjusted is to look at the fuel trim with a scanner.
It will show you what the ecm is doing with the fuel when you are done tinkering with the fuel pressure and map sensor settings/ engine load. You go to crazy with it you end up nuking the cat.
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2010, 05:44:59 PM »
We plugged it into the ignition hot on the Chrysler diagnostic connector.
Chris the best way to get it adjusted is to look at the fuel trim with a scanner.
It will show you what the ecm is doing with the fuel when you are done tinkering with the fuel pressure and map sensor settings/ engine load. You go to crazy with it you end up nuking the cat.

i don't think you can monitor the fuel trims on the YJ (OBD1) - i thought it's an OBD2 feature only but i could be wrong.
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2010, 07:03:40 PM »
Pretty much from the days of feed back carburetors on, if you could get a data stream from the ecm, it would show fuel trim/ block learn. The older Chrysler stuff had a fairly quick baud rate and yes even before OBD 1 they showed fuel trim on their data stream.
It pretty much shows where the computer moves the fuel inside it fuel map.  If it jeeps taking fuel away when you crank up the fuel pressure and or map voltage then there is re3ally no point in fiddling with that is there? If it considers it running rich and takes fuel away then there doesn't seem to be a point in adding more fuel
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2010, 07:38:58 PM »
We plugged it into the ignition hot on the Chrysler diagnostic connector.
Chris the best way to get it adjusted is to look at the fuel trim with a scanner.
It will show you what the ecm is doing with the fuel when you are done tinkering with the fuel pressure and map sensor settings/ engine load. You go to crazy with it you end up nuking the cat.

I'm not really planning to mess around with the voltage again until I can get a readout on A/F, Art.   
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2010, 07:55:28 PM »
Pretty much from the days of feed back carburetors on, if you could get a data stream from the ecm, it would show fuel trim/ block learn. The older Chrysler stuff had a fairly quick baud rate and yes even before OBD 1 they showed fuel trim on their data stream.
It pretty much shows where the computer moves the fuel inside it fuel map.  If it jeeps taking fuel away when you crank up the fuel pressure and or map voltage then there is re3ally no point in fiddling with that is there? If it considers it running rich and takes fuel away then there doesn't seem to be a point in adding more fuel

it will always readjust in closed loop based on O2 feedback, unless you use a programmable signal calibrator inline with the sensor or a programmable/adjustable O2 sensor you can't fight the PCM - the only "place" you can make a difference is in open loop or by getting the PCM to go in open loop quicker (which is where the map adjuster would be a benefit imo)
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Re: Map Adjuster Voltage
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2010, 09:32:00 PM »
Once you push the the fuel trim past where it cannot adjust it self, it's essentially in open loop. It can only adjust it self so much. We had a problem with CNG engines where the fuel map was not quite generous enough, forced us pretty much to change more injectors than sparkplugs on them things. They would just run to lean after a couple of weeks to a month. Finally found some injectors that let a bit more natural gas through and pretty much solved our problem. We had the regulators cranked up as high as was safe to do so to try and get a bit more fuel in them. Seems to me fiddling with the resistance of the Coolant and or Air intake temp sensors is easier to give the engine a little more fuel, Used to work wonders for Cadillac Sevilles.
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