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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2011, 04:43:42 AM »
Sure enough I get a note from autocarparts.com they already charged my card:


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Hello,

Unfortunately, the items that you've ordered are discontinued or out of stock. Please take a look at our website and let us know what you would like to switch out to, please reply back to this email with a link or the part numbers to the items you would like to switch to. Please select more than one choice, in case your first choice happens to be discontinued or out of stock as well.

Thank you

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1-800-419-1152 ext. 113


It's starting to seem like retailers don't seem to keep much in the way of inventory any more.  There's probably a set of Borla headers for the 92-95 4Bangers out there somewhere on somebody's shelves, but it'll take plenty of time to locate.

I'll cancel this order and I guess it'll be a set of Banks headers
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2011, 10:42:41 PM »
I was looking at this piece from Four Wheeler on long tube vs. short tube headers: http://www.fourwheeler.com/techarticles/engine/129_0910_gibson_short_vs_stainless_long_headers/index.html
It got me thinking: darn, I'd really like to get a long-tube header.   

Looking at the Banks and Pacesetter, it looks like Pacesetter has got more of a long tube design.     But then Banks is stainless and, for me, stainless steel has worked well. 

Maybe I'll just do a ceramic coated Pacesetter for the time being.  If this was a 4.0 I'd go with a stainless steel make of header no questions asked, but right now, to me, exhaust lifespan is secondary to engine performance on this 4banger.
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2011, 11:38:53 PM »
i think the best design is the 2 into 2 into 1, can't remember what brand it was but I don't think it's available anymore. Pacesetter imo is the second one as far as flow, but it's not great as far as workmanship not to mention there's no stainless version. I have the plain steel one but i am thinking now that should have probably spent the extra cash for the ceramic one (although i have no idea how long it will last).
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2011, 09:44:35 AM »
I would recommend reading this article in Moab Jeeper Magazine (http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=235) before buying a Borla header.  I also bought a Borla for my '95YJ 2.5L and had the exact issues described in the article including not accepting my calls.  I did not take it to an exhaust shop as they did in the article and as a result my exhaust rubs and rattles in several places, most annoying.  Maybe I should have.  During my last conversation with Borla the CSR revealed that an actual car was not always used during design and so a perfect fit may not be achievable, to which I stated that I would be happy to help them out and loan them mine, if it would help them build a better product.  His reply was that they would be happy to build me a custom exhaust system... I thought I bought a custom exhaust system, I mean it costs enough.  Just a thought...

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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2011, 04:09:26 PM »
Quote from: Wheezer on February 17, 2011, 09:44:35 AM
I would recommend reading this article in Moab Jeeper Magazine (http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=235) before buying a Borla header.  I also bought a Borla for my '95YJ 2.5L and had the exact issues described in the article including not accepting my calls.  I did not take it to an exhaust shop as they did in the article and as a result my exhaust rubs and rattles in several places, most annoying.  Maybe I should have.  During my last conversation with Borla the CSR revealed that an actual car was not always used during design and so a perfect fit may not be achievable, to which I stated that I would be happy to help them out and loan them mine, if it would help them build a better product.  His reply was that they would be happy to build me a custom exhaust system... I thought I bought a custom exhaust system, I mean it costs enough.  Just a thought...

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Interesting to hear.  I think Borla has backed off making a header for the 4banger altogether.  I posted a couple of notes in this thread that I got from sellers saying Borla wasn't making them anymore
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2011, 04:10:39 PM »
I went ahead and ordered a set of the ceramic pacesetter headers.     Also ordered a fiberglass wing for added downforce  :lol:

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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2011, 06:07:02 PM »
Quote from: chrisfranklin on February 18, 2011, 04:10:39 PM
 Also ordered a fiberglass wing for added downforce  :lol:

install it upside down, will make it lighter on the trail to go over obstacles  :weee:
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2011, 06:11:48 PM »
Quote from: sharpxmen on February 18, 2011, 06:07:02 PM
install it upside down, will make it lighter on the trail to go over obstacles  :weee:

Right on.  I'm going to take that a little further and pipe the exhaust up to the top so it exits right in front of the wing.  I rev the engine and the exhaust flow will generate some added lift.  Awesome  :lol:
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2011, 07:02:01 PM »
What about headers for a 2001 TJ. Will those fit the car?
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2011, 01:48:17 AM »
Are yall with pacesetter headers feeling like you are getting anymore power? Does the exhaust sound any different? My exhaust is going to get reworked anyway when it gets linked, and i was looking at throwing one on. For $200 a new header and downpipe isnt bad.
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2011, 07:30:36 AM »
Quote from: Steve97tj on March 03, 2011, 01:48:17 AM
Are yall with pacesetter headers feeling like you are getting anymore power? Does the exhaust sound any different? My exhaust is going to get reworked anyway when it gets linked, and i was looking at throwing one on. For $200 a new header and downpipe isnt bad.

is the '97-'99 Jeep exhaust different than yours?

http://www.streetsideauto.com/search.asp?keywords=70-1138

$170 for that one and guess what... Free Shipping !!!

if you set the vehicle to 2.5L TJ '01 and then click on "all" tab and click on the part it says it fits that year, but I would call pacesetter to make sure.

EDIT: I actually meant to quote this post
Quote from: andpgud on February 19, 2011, 07:02:01 PM
What about headers for a 2001 TJ. Will those fit the car?
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM »
Got these in the other day.  Coating job looks ok; it's exterior only, but I expected that.  Welds look ok.  Downpipe looks like it's maybe about 1/2 inch wider than the oem unit and it doesn't have any crimps to it; its got the ceramic coating on it also. 







No gasket though.  You guys recommend a gasket from an oem supplier or is there an after-market unit out there that's better? 
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2011, 04:31:38 PM »
Quote from: chrisfranklin on March 11, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Got these in the other day.  Coating job looks ok; it's exterior only, but I expected that.  Welds look ok.  Downpipe looks like it's maybe about 1/2 inch wider than the oem unit and it doesn't have any crimps to it; its got the ceramic coating on it also. 







No gasket though.  You guys recommend a gasket from an oem supplier or is there an after-market unit out there that's better? 

comes with a gasket (mine did and was the cheapo version) and with washers (make sure you have those as they are custom ones, you cannot use the stock washers) - if you're missing both then they messed up or the bag containing the hardware got lost.
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2011, 06:25:14 PM »
You're right, Sharp. Gasket was inside the big shipping box between two pieces of card-board stapled together.  When I  dug it out I saw that the cardboard was labeled "Gasket"   doh :lol: 
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Re: Bought some Borla Headers
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2011, 07:58:58 PM »
Quote from: chrisfranklin on March 11, 2011, 06:25:14 PM
You're right, Sharp. Gasket was inside the big shipping box between two pieces of card-board stapled together.  When I  dug it out I saw that the cardboard was labeled "Gasket"   doh :lol:  

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i wonder - is that coating going to keep it much cooler?
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