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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: omnisi on December 02, 2007, 11:38:53 PM
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I decided to go ahead and snorkel. I thought it would be a good addition with the new injectors, and help with the steam stalling I get when hitting deep water too fast.
I wanted to keep the K&N and almost didnt because I couldnt come up with a good canister. I ended up using the ammo can I mentioned before...like a true Marine, LOL.
It might look like hell under the hood, but it works great! And, if I ever decide to remove the snorkel, I can use the ammo can for "under hood" storage. I drove it around for awhile and the ammo can was just barely warm to the touch. The white wrap you see is boiler pipe wrap. It keeps the black, steel Rocket intake pipe from heating up over the engine and further heating the intake air...works very well. BTW, cost was about $60 bucks not counting the new hole saw I bought.
Anyway, you guys can add your thoughts and opinions... dont worry, Im a big boy, I can take it. Heres a look-see:
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looks nice. and for $60 who can resist.
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Interesting, but you created a "trap" in your snorkle. The snorkle pipe should be level or rising from the intake, never dip down and come back up.
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Interesting, but you created a "trap" in your snorkle. The snorkle pipe should be level or rising from the intake, never dip down and come back up.
Thats why theres a clamped elbow coming out of the hood. ...so I can change the snorkel without tearing it all out. There wasnt any place open to get the right angled piece there when I was almost done last night. Its not a 90 or a 45 and I didnt have a 22.5.
Funny you mention that though, a buddy and I were talking about that and how the aftermarket snorkels mount. When installed, dont they run down below the stock air box to the fender and then back up to the windshield... making kind of a large trap?
Anyway, Im going to work on that today, and also see if I can find a better scoop for the top...
Thanks for the comments
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Interesting, but you created a "trap" in your snorkle. The snorkle pipe should be level or rising from the intake, never dip down and come back up.
Thats why theres a clamped elbow coming out of the hood. ...so I can change the snorkel without tearing it all out. There wasnt any place open to get the right angled piece there when I was almost done last night. Its not a 90 or a 45 and I didnt have a 22.5.
Funny you mention that though, a buddy and I were talking about that and how the aftermarket snorkels mount. When installed, dont they run down below the stock air box to the fender and then back up to the windshield... making kind of a large trap?
Anyway, Im going to work on that today, and also see if I can find a better scoop for the top...
Thanks for the comments
Most of that aftermarket stuff is for show and has no way to drain the dirt and condensation from the low spots.
Might want to consider a filter at the inlet, which will prefilter the air and cut down on the crap that will wind up in the tube.
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Roger that...
I was just looking at it again in the daylight, and Im not satisified with the whole outer piece. Called my muffler guy and he's going to bend a piece for me. So Im going to do that and change the inlet as well...
Thanks for the tips Oldjeep
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Most of that aftermarket stuff is for show and has no way to drain the dirt and condensation from the low spots.
My understanding was that the ARB one was pretty good... Was I mislead?
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Most of that aftermarket stuff is for show and has no way to drain the dirt and condensation from the low spots.
My understanding was that the ARB one was pretty good... Was I mislead?
good for what? A snorkel on a gas motor is only good for 2 things.
1) Getting the air intake up higher and theoretically out of the dust.
2) Keep you from catching a splash into the air intake.
Your motor is most likely going to be dead if you ever drive into intake high water. If it isn't then your tranny, tcase and diffs are going to be full of water anyway - unless you raised all those vents higher. If you havn't got a diesel you are not going to be fording water with your motor submerged.
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Oldjeep,
I have seen many YJ's and TJ's crossing deep rivers and not die... So I know they can make deep crossings. Of course, after those trips, you will ussually need to change out all the fluids, and that is logical and understandable, but just because the water is deep does not mean the engine compartment is completely flooded because there is always a bubble in the engine compartment.
Now, I agree with you that a snorkel does not make an engine submersible, and that besides what you mentioned, other things can be totaled (like the computer for one!), but my point is that a snorkel does make deeper water fording possible (although not necessarily advisable).
For example, this Jeep crossed a river I would not dare to cross without a snorkel (this one belongs to a friend, and it is a 4.0L crossing in 2H). This crossing was made twice in that day (going and coming back), and no mechanical damage was done to the engine (mind you all fluids were changed afterwards). I DO have to admit the the computer died about a week later (going back to my comment about a snorkel not making a Jeep waterproof!), but it was the only jeep to suffer any problems (many others crossed as well).
Felipe
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Felipe,
Did you mean to post a picture?
Thanks
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Im scrapping 90% of that system and going with something(hopefully) a little simpler.... maybe taking out that ammo box/gerbil cage. I got a pipe bet at the muffler shop today for the snorkel.
BTW - the reasons for this particular snorkel is to keep the engine from sputtering/stalling from steam under the hood cause by water hitting the hot engine pretty fast, its very sandy & dusty here, and to perhaps get slightly cooler air to the engine... plus Im bored and pretty much caught up on my honey-do-list...
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If you drive in the dust a farm tractor pre filter/ cyclone filter is a good way to top the snorkel. It will keep rain out and pre filter most dust out works well on heavy equipment and farm tractors and looks pretty clean. I have seen those on some of the snorkels that people run in a desert environment
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Can you post a like to one...Im not familiar with those.
Thanks
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I couldnt live with the gerbil cage ammo box so I modified and simplified it. Works great and cost less too. This one was MUCH easier:
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p127/omnisi/IMG_2272.jpg)
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Something like this....
PreFilter (http://www.autoanything.com/air-filters/65A2582A-1A1.aspx)
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o we use those on our cj3a. except its the k&n version.
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Oh...when he said cyclone I thought he meant something else.
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This is what I am talking about you just empty the dust bowl every so often and it keeps rain out
http://www.ferret.com.au/articles/z1/view.asp?id=34408
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Thanks...Ive seen those before, just didnt know what they were.
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Felipe,
Did you mean to post a picture?
Thanks
Oh, yeah... Forgot about that part!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gUCdjRoFt5E
Felipe
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Is it me, or you relocated the stock air box?
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Mine didnt have a stock air box when I got it, it had a Rocket intake with K&N. For the new version I used an air box from a '94 Chrysler LaBaron. Works well because both openings are on the same end...
I posted a new thread because I changed everything. Moderators must have thought it was redundant because I dont see it now, but the new one looks like this
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This one looks really good!
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What are you using for the ram air style tip on that thing? I've been thinking of building something similar for my Heep.
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What are you using for the ram air style tip on that thing? I've been thinking of building something similar for my Heep.
It was part of another air/intake system from another vehicle in the salvage yard... where I have it sitting on top of the pipe it made a 90 degree turn and opened up and had some other piece on the other end. I just cut it off right after the 90 where I wanted it...
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This one looks really good!
Thanks!
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I guess I'll give some constructive criticism. :lol:
It's way too busy for my taste. The air may be cooler in the beginning but it has got to travel through all that piping. Not to mention those tubes aren't smooth so it will add turbulence. That will slow the air flow down which in turn will give the air more time to absorb heat.
Also have you calculated how much surface area the new filter has compared to the old one? The new one looks smaller.
I think my favorite setup that I've seen is this guy's. He built an airbox from a paint can. It's compact and simple.
(http://www.chevroletmodifications.com/jeepsnorkle3.jpg)
His air filter is pretty large as well.
(http://www.chevroletmodifications.com/jeepsnorkle2.jpg)
He ran the pipe out the driver side which helps reduce the length of the system.
(http://www.chevroletmodifications.com/jeepsnorkle5.jpg)
The only thing I would have done differently would be to run the pipe straight out the hood like you did. (This is how it's done on the Military Jeeps as well.) He's make himself a drain trap although not as drastic as some out there.
(http://www.chevroletmodifications.com/jeepsnorkle7.jpg)
This top cap is a bit retarded though. I'm sure it is choking his air flow.
(http://www.chevroletmodifications.com/jeepsnorkle9.jpg)
I really do like some of the DIY snorkels out there though. The ones for the Land Rovers always look factory.
Another suggestion, turn the intake scoop around. If you drive in rain, you'll just be gathering more water into the system. Still your setup is no worse the the ARB Safari though you didn't spend $300.
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This last version was about $40. I dont driv eit much in the rain as this Jeep has never had a full top of any kind on it, lol.
Yeah, its alittle busy...Ill probably refine it a little more with smooth pipe, but it works well. I thought about the filter as well and was curious. But I just got home after filling up ( I drive A LOT) and this current system gave me a solid 1.5 mpg increase over the other one so far...stop and go travel.
I mainly wanted to get the basic design down, and then refine it from there. But dont hesitate with the constructive criticism...thats how things are improved. ;)
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Let's just say I am tempted to give it a shot on mine! Although, I do have to figure out how to handle the rain, as mine WILL see a lot of rain (possible a couple of huirricanes as well, although hopefully not!!!).
Felipe
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Rain while going down the road won't hurt anything, it will work like a water injection system the drag racers use and will just go through the motor and be blown out the exhaust. If your in a severe torentual downpour it might get hard enough to cause a problem, but you won't be able to see or drive by that point anyway.
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But then you better hope the filter dries before you see dust because dust on a wet filter makes mud which will clog the filter.
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for the rain use the cyclone dust trap filter see the link a couple of messages back its not restrictive for a diesel engine so should be fine for the Jeep ( a diesel engine uses a lot more air to function)