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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: chardrc on January 20, 2009, 08:17:45 AM
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ok so i know it should be simple with the wiring diagrams but i am stumped.... I got everything figured out except for the small black wire labeled "motor ground" which is soposed to go (according to the wiring diagram) from the solenoid box (where it comes from) to the ground stud on the bottom of the winch motor where the main ground cable from the battery connects... ok that's simple enough except for the fact that the wire is 2 inches too short... so after trying to see if i was doing something stupid i noticed that all the pics I see online show that cable going straight down from the seloniod box rather than angling over to the motor side.... so i figured i would ask for advise first before i fry a new winch.
http://www.gowarn.com/images/products/M8000.jpg
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ok so i know it should be simple with the wiring diagrams but i am stumped.... I got everything figured out except for the small black wire labeled "motor ground" which is soposed to go (according to the wiring diagram) from the solenoid box (where it comes from) to the ground stud on the bottom of the winch motor where the main ground cable from the battery connects... ok that's simple enough except for the fact that the wire is 2 inches too short... so after trying to see if i was doing something stupid i noticed that all the pics I see online show that cable going straight down from the seloniod box rather than angling over to the motor side.... so i figured i would ask for advise first before i fry a new winch.
http://www.gowarn.com/images/products/M8000.jpg
Call Warn - they are always happy to help on the phone. In the picture, I doubt that wire is even hooked up.
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One more comment. I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually mount the solonoid box like warn pictures it. Usually you see it installed facing up over the top of the motor. Keeps it down out of the way.
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i was planing on mounting it how it was pictured since the warn mount plate came with the mount for it... seems weird that they would sell something that wont work without modification.. ill have to give them a call when i get home...
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Motor Ground is a ground...
Funny thing is you can't really mount the M8000 like in the picture. One of the cables for the solenoid box is too short to reach so the solenoid sits crocked on the support.
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Motor Ground is a ground...
Funny thing is you can't really mount the M8000 like in the picture. One of the cables for the solenoid box is too short to reach so the solenoid sits crocked on the support.
Plus you bend the crap out of it the first time you walk by and snap your sleeve on it. If it were mine, I'd toss the cables they gave you - make some longer ones and put the solonoid box under the hood. Helps keep all the crap out of it, especially in MN
Edited: LOL Jello. Nice text substitution.
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Plus you bend the crap out of it the first time you walk by and snap your sleeve on it. If it were mine, I'd toss the cables they gave you - make some longer ones and put the solonoid box under the hood. Helps keep all the crap out of it, especially in MN
Edited: LOL Jello. Nice text substitution.
Actually, I tossed my cables and made my own out of #2 welding cable for the three cables that go from the solenoid box to the motor. I have my solenoid box zip-tied to the grill support since I never made a proper mount. Although, it's been there for years without any problems. Cables go over to support so they take all of the pressure off the box. I did leave the two long cables that go to the battery though.
IIRC, the main cables to the battery are #2 and the ones going to the solenoid are #4.
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i was thinking about going under the hood... but when you need the winch how do you get the cable for the controller routed from under the hood to in the cab without crushing it... and it isn't my dd so i usually don't drive it in the winter to avoid that salt that likes to kill metal....
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i was thinking about going under the hood... but when you need the winch how do you get the cable for the controller routed from under the hood to in the cab without crushing it... and it isn't my dd so i usually don't drive it in the winter to avoid that salt that likes to kill metal....
You open the hood - or run wireless like I do on my winches ;)
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i was thinking about going under the hood... but when you need the winch how do you get the cable for the controller routed from under the hood to in the cab without crushing it... and it isn't my dd so i usually don't drive it in the winter to avoid that salt that likes to kill metal....
Well, I'm not sure about having to crawl under the hood. The hood does not close perfectly so there is a gap. Feeding the remote through isn't an issue. I'd also consider doing a dash setup as well. I've got all of the parts but haven't had the time to build a harness.
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My M8000 is mounted like in the Warn PIC. I took off the plastic frame rail gaurd thingy and drilled a hole in the body mount bracket and attached the ground wire there. Has worked fine.
I also would like to put the control box under the hood but have not gotten around to it yet.
I did add the remote switch on the dash. It works great and is easy to do.
http://www.roadlessgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=RGJ/PROD/R/RG631
This is the one I have. The price is the same after a few years, I am surprised!
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/FourbangerYJ/067.jpg)
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Mounted mine simular to the warn setup just a bit to the sede and behind the motor, while I was at it ran wires for cab switches, The stock cables work fine if all else fails just extend the ground wire and mount it where you want all that wire does it supply an extra ground path for the solenoids, in case the mounting bracket for the solenoid provides a poor ground
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Best winch accessory money can buy
http://www.oconeeoffroad.com/servlet/the-6151/Ramsey-Wireless-Winch-Remote/Detail
I had a dash switch on my CJ, but almost never used it. My winch was used mainly for pulling other people, and sitting in the cab or being tethered to a wire sucks.
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i like the idea of an on dash switch more than wireless ($30 sounds a lot better than $120...) electronics and me don't go well together.... it all started the 2nd week of my 1st real job when i connected 2 12v batteries for my bosses motor home / van and created a arc welder by accident..... :crap: :yikes:..... I think for now i will connect the wire to somewhere that it reaches from the pic solenoid location.
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For pulling other people the remote works well for pulling yourself I love the in dash switches, 2 switches some wire cheap fix
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ok went back into the garage and messed with it some more... ended up connecting the "motor ground" wire to 1 of the bolts that goes into 1 of the bars (shiny things) that connects the 2 halves of the winch (motor side and clutch side). will that be a good enough ground or should I connect it some where else?
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You have the ground connected to the winch itself? That's not really a good idea since the winch housing is aluminum. Ground it to the frame or the bottom of the winch plate.
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ok thats what i needed to know.. thanks
edit... (since im lazy and don't want to drill a hole if i don't have too) I could connect that wire to the bolt that connects the bracket / mount for the solenoid box the the winch plate( so essentially connecting to winch plate).
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Yes, that would work as well as using a bolt that holds the winch to the winch plate. I forget what I did exactly.
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ok that sounds good.. now for problem #2.. looked at the controller and the rubber protective coating around the wires got destroyed about 6 inches from the connector end... time to call customer service...
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i like the idea of an on dash switch more than wireless ($30 sounds a lot better than $120...) electronics and me don't go well together.... it all started the 2nd week of my 1st real job when i connected 2 12v batteries for my bosses motor home / van and created a arc welder by accident..... :crap: :yikes:..... I think for now i will connect the wire to somewhere that it reaches from the pic solenoid location.
In dash switch costs $2. All you need is a 2 way momentary switch and some small wire.
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I plan to move my winch control lead under hood, to get it out of the weather on the front of the cheep, after I get it rebuilt so my winch works again, stupid salt causing currosion. Anyway one thing I also plan to go with the in dash control, is to mount an extra wire lead plug to the grill so I can still connect my lead for when I need to winch from outside of the Jeep.
I realized I needed this after I flopped the Cheep, it was sitting where it would have been unsafe to be in it as it came back over to the wheels, I couldn't get underhood since it was on the ground, and no-one else could get above me on the hill side to pull it up, so I had to use a snatch block to winch myself back over. If I couldn't have been able to hook up nd run my winch from outside of the Cheep only, it would have been a real issue trying to get it back on it's wheels, instead of only taking a few minutes.
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In dash switch costs $2. All you need is a 2 way momentary switch and some small wire.
talked to warn today about the damaged controller wire.. they re sending a new one and i get to keep the old one... so when the new one comes the old one will be taken apart to make an in dash switch system (will have to add a on off switch so i don't bump it and make it go when i don't want it to.) this is all pending how much time i have...
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talked to warn today about the damaged controller wire.. they re sending a new one and i get to keep the old one... so when the new one comes the old one will be taken apart to make an in dash switch system (will have to add a on off switch so i don't bump it and make it go when i don't want it to.) this is all pending how much time i have...
A friend of mine has his winch wire up like that. He keeps the controller that is hard wired wrapped around the shifter. It's outta the way but within easy reach if needed.
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to fallow up. i got the winch installed yesterday, ended up connecting the small ground wire to the mount for the soloniod box. now if i can find the time to get a better altinator and install that electric fan.... :whistle:
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to fallow up. i got the winch installed yesterday, ended up connecting the small ground wire to the mount for the soloniod box. now if i can find the time to get a better altinator and install that electric fan.... :whistle:
Skip all that and just get yourself an Optima Yellowtop. I used to run my 8274 with the engine turned off half the time. A good deep cycle is better than trying to keep a starting battery up with the alternator while winching.
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well i just bought a optima red top about a year ago so can't really justify getting a new battery... and seems like everyone says you need a 100+ amp altinator if you want to run an electric fan...
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The red top is fine, so I'd put the priority on the alternator. If you do any long pulls then you'll run your battery down though. The stock alternator on the YJ is 75-80amp IIRC. The option was for a 90amp. That is to say, you can get by with the stock alternator as long as you keep keep the RPM's up while winching. This usually means a hand throttle of some sort if you're not sitting inside.
As for the fan I probably could have gotten away with the stock alternator BUT it was cheap and a good idea for winching. When you're stuck, you'll never hear anyone say, "Boy, I'm sure glad I didn't get that bigger alternator." ;)
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if i recall corectly when i looked at the alternator yesterday it said 78 amp... thing that annoys me is my gauges are royally messed up so i can't really believe them so i wont know when motor is getting to hot or alternator is really working (unless i get belt squealing or a lower idle from it pulling harder). so maybe i should spend my money on a new gauge cluster..... lol.. I probably wont have time to work on the jeep for a few weeks anyways...
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Well, keep in mind that 78amp means peak so at idle you're not making anything close to that. A higher amp alternator is always a good thing to get but really, how often are you going to use your winch and how much of a pull will it need. If you're pulling full load then you'll want the alternator. Most of the time you're stuck either a short pull or forgetting about it all together and using a strap is more likely. Now, this really depends on the trails you do though.
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all true... I don't plan on Having to use it too much as i go with friends / family so there is usually someone else to pull me out / we aren't getting into places where i will need major winch work... birthday is coming up so should have some money to spend on my jeep anyways.
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today proved to be a good birthday. my new winch controller arrived from warn, I got a finger throttle kit from my dad, and computer parts came so now i can play games without it crashing every 10-30 minutes... :weee:
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Warn fails to send you the mount in the box for the control box. I had to get mine thru the rep who sent it to me free. Mounts flat on top of the winch.
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hmm free you say.. my winch plate came with a mount for the solenoid box. I'm happy with it right now. if i where to move it it would go under the hood but thanks for the info.
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Just a FYI, I noticed a 3-5* difference when I had the solenoid box blocking the grill.
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not too worried about the temp raise. but now that i look at it it does block a considerable amount of the grill.... i found some time to hack up the damaged winch controller and extracted the switch (the new plastic controllers are a pita compared to the old rubber ones that you could just pry out rather than cutting and prying away plastic.) between homework and cleaning the house this weekend i wont be able to install the switch, but it will be more productive to get my stuff together for the electric fan so i an tare apart the dash ounce anyways...
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where can you find a good winch cover for the m8000.. i found some neoprene ones that look like they would be good but they are only for the power plant or the xp/si winches (solenoids are part of the winch). we have used the canvas type ones on you cj and they don't seen to stay in place or work all that well.
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I don't run one but I should. There used to be a company that made cheap ones but I think they stopped. I'd see if an upholstery/soft top/boat cover shop could make one. It doesn't need to be that fancy.
Neoprene isn't really a good idea. First off they are expensive. Second, UV will kill the rubber and fade the spandex/lycra. Third, neoprene is more like a sponge and will retain water. The rubber side will keep water off whatever is under it though. I'd rather have a cover made from denim though. Most of the ones you see from Warn and other companies are cheaper vinyl covers.
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where can you find a good winch cover for the m8000.. i found some neoprene ones that look like they would be good but they are only for the power plant or the xp/si winches (solenoids are part of the winch). we have used the canvas type ones on you cj and they don't seen to stay in place or work all that well.
Should be one that will fit here:
http://www.gorillawinches.com/winch-accessories/winch-covers
Made in China stuff, but their warehouse is in Plymouth
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Oh, I forgot another thing about Neoprene. It doesn't like to get dirty. I really don't know why they're even using them as winch covers.
Oh and you'll find that most winch covers will only cover the body of the winch. Those with Intigrated solenoid boxes are usually covered as well. It's another good reason to mount the solenoid under the hood.
Found some inexpensive, non-neoprene covers though.
http://www.tellico4x4.com/index.php/cPath/51_1716
http://www.truckcustomizers.com/products/R4SUP450.7.html
http://www.missgrizz.com/product/66930/bulldog_winch_accessory_bdw-20046.html
http://www.missgrizz.com/superwinch_winch_covers/R14681P252C1T.html
http://shoplive.rompalicious.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2738
http://www.truckcustomizers.com/products/R4SUP450.7.html
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thanks for the links and input :thumb:.. will have to consider the choices and buy something...lol
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well an unexpected option came up and i Now have a cover... my dad bought a Neoprene cover for a powerplant for his 9.5ti Thermometric ( he got the wrong cover becasue he couldn't find the correct one for it) anyways how his winch is mounted it touch the grill on the jeep so he can't get the cover on... so we put it on mine and it fits surprisingly well. It even covers the solenoid box becasue if its additional height.. it does have some extra baggage to the sides of the solenoid box but for the price (free) i think ill stick with it...