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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: smashcoast on November 20, 2009, 03:28:38 PM
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So I finally put my new Goodyear MT/R's on 33x12.50.
They actually fit well on my 2" lift. They are on 15x8 cragar soft 8's and fit perfectly, and arent much wider than my old 31x10.50's.
So far the power loss hasn't been noticable, but I also haven't gone uphill yet!
I'm gonna be taking my axles out to be regeared after thanksgiving(saves $450 with them out on the install) and then I will be putting all the components on for my 3" lift.
Also got a new bumper that I will post picks later after I finish paintng it.
Tell me what you think about the width, I'm ordering the Xenon flat fender's and am leading towards the 4" over the 6" as I like the tires to be a little wider than the flares.
One more thing the white lettering sucks!
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/smashcoast/2009_11210001.jpg)
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/smashcoast/2009_11210002.jpg)
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/smashcoast/2009_11210003.jpg)
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/smashcoast/2009_11210004.jpg)
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If you don't like the white lettering you should of had them put the black side out although I'm not sure how that will work since the tread is different on the inside then the outside.
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Looks good. I'm starting to like that weird tread pattern. The reviews have been good too.
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Tires look nice, you will regret the white letters on the outside though when you start wheeling more, they turn into retro white walls
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If you don't like the white lettering you should of had them put the black side out although I'm not sure how that will work since the tread is different on the inside then the outside.
in that case i would also think that there are left and right side tires, otherwise the pattern would be reversed on compared to the driver's side.
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Non-directional tires are interesting. They are actually directional when riding in a v-notch on just the outside edges. One one side of the Jeep the lugs slope forward and on the other side of the Jeep they slope backwards. So they are just non-directional when nearly the entire tread is in contact with the ground.
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Well the tires have an inside and outside and I saw some where that that new funky tread is to be on the inside, so the white lettering is on the outside. Every pic I have seen of them that's how they are mounted.
There is no left or right side(or that's what I was told) so each side is running in different directions. I will call good year myself to see if that is true.
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Just saw that 35's and up come with black lettering! Damn D35! :brick:
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NICE! i thought 32s would be the limit on a 2" lift, but your 33s fit real well. any rubbing at all? Id like to upgrade to 32s soon and i have a 2.5" lift. I may just go with 33s. Did you get those at any place in particular?
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The tires rub when the wheel is turned all the way but that is it.
I got them at America's Tires and had them price match 4Wheelparts for $199 then they gave them to me for $190 a piece.
Depends on where your at they might be Discount tires store?
Go with the 33's over the 32's.
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Woah, I have the same wheels and now I know they are Cragars. Awesome!
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So I finally put my new Goodyear MT/R's on 33x12.50.
They actually fit well on my 2" lift. They are on 15x8 cragar soft 8's and fit perfectly, and arent much wider than my old 31x10.50's.
So far the power loss hasn't been noticable, but I also haven't gone uphill yet!
I'm gonna be taking my axles out to be regeared after thanksgiving(saves $450 with them out on the install) and then I will be putting all the components on for my 3" lift.
Also got a new bumper that I will post picks later after I finish paintng it.
Tell me what you think about the width, I'm ordering the Xenon flat fender's and am leading towards the 4" over the 6" as I like the tires to be a little wider than the flares.
One more thing the white lettering sucks!
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/smashcoast/2009_11210001.jpg)
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/smashcoast/2009_11210002.jpg)
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/smashcoast/2009_11210003.jpg)
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/smashcoast/2009_11210004.jpg)
I personally think the white lettering makes it "pop" (kinda like a late 60's muscle car), but then again I have the white lettering out on tires that I won't be taking on trails, the only thing I have to look out for on the "road" tires is curb damage when parallel parking in the city. By spring I hope to have dedicated bias ply's for offroading.
My 97
(http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss97/markobucket/MarksJeep006.jpg)
BTW have you thought about trimming the fender flares? That is next on my "to do" list. A little more clearance for 0 cash. Unless your area is big on ticketing for flares not covering the tires.
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I try to keep the tires under the fenders, too many broken mirrors
and I get tired of them throwing mud into the jeep.
Besides, its a free offer to let a cop pull you over any time
they want, and I avoid that just on principal...
Dave
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The tires rub when the wheel is turned all the way but that is it.
Go with the 33's over the 32's.
if it's contacting the frame, a spacer should take care of that. my 31s are spaced due to that. with 33s, are you concerned with losing the ability to flex as much? that would be the only thing keeping me from jumping to 33s..though it seems you still have enough clearence. is your lift a body lift or do you have longer springs and shocks?
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I have a 2" spacer and rubicon springs from an 06' rubi.
Ya if after I put my 3" springs on and they still rub the frame I will do the steering adjustment that Jeff has in the FAQ section. If need be but I dont really want to I will do a 1" body lift after I take it wheeling if it looks like I'll need it.
I dont want to trim the old flares, so i'm just buying the 4" flat Xenon flares. My old tires stuck out a little less than my new ones and I never had any issues with the Fuzz! If get a fix it ticket Rugged Ridge sells some 7" flares for $150 for a set that I can throw on to show the cops.
There isnt alot of mud in SoCal, but I have gone threw water and had it flung at my face and that does suck!
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i think 6'' will be a bit much (maybe if you add spacers on the hubs) - there are some called extend a flare, although i never seen one bushwacker suggested it when i bought mine and they said they're cheaper, something to look at maybe.
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How far the tires stick out depends on the wheel backspacing having a wider stance makes it a lot more stable when of camber, I had 6" flares front and back and the tires would tuck under it when flexing, no issues with rubbing on the frame either for me wheels with about 3.5" backspacing and 6" flares make a nice combo
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I have 3.75 backspacing on my rims.
So Art would you recommend the 6" flares over the 4"?
The stock flares are 3 3/4" so the 4" will add a 1/4". Plus the 4" will be less prone to hitting stuff on the trail right? That's good right?
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I have 3.75 backspacing on my rims.
So Art would you recommend the 6" flares over the 4"?
The stock flares are 3 3/4" so the 4" will add a 1/4". Plus the 4" will be less prone to hitting stuff on the trail right? That's good right?
i have 3.75 and 15x10 rims so in that case i take back what i said about 6'' being too much - mine are 6'' flares and the edge of the tire sticks out about 3/4 inch and like aw said it tucks under when flexing.
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I have 3.75 backspacing on my rims.
So Art would you recommend the 6" flares over the 4"?
The stock flares are 3 3/4" so the 4" will add a 1/4". Plus the 4" will be less prone to hitting stuff on the trail right? That's good right?
A 3.75" BS on a 10" wheel is a -1.25" Offset. With an 8" wheel, you're only looking at -.25" Offset. For comparison the stock wheels are +2 which really brings the tires in. What does that all mean? Well, with a 12.5" tire you're going to have to run 6" flares to cover the tires. If you run 4" flares and stuff your tires, you're going to hog out a arch from them contacting the flare.
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Well I already orderd the 4" flares so we'll see what happens. I can always buy the 6" if these dont work out.
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I have a 2" spacer and rubicon springs from an 06' rubi.
Ya if after I put my 3" springs on and they still rub the frame I will do the steering adjustment that Jeff has in the FAQ section. If need be but I dont really want to I will do a 1" body lift after I take it wheeling if it looks like I'll need it.
I dont want to trim the old flares, so i'm just buying the 4" flat Xenon flares. My old tires stuck out a little less than my new ones and I never had any issues with the Fuzz! If get a fix it ticket Rugged Ridge sells some 7" flares for $150 for a set that I can throw on to show the cops.
There isnt alot of mud in SoCal, but I have gone threw water and had it flung at my face and that does suck!
Reason for my paranoia.... :)
Oregon no longer allows fixit tickets, if we get busted we pay the fine AND have to
show we fixed the problem or they issue a bench warrant.
All fixit tickets here are 200 bucks.
Utah also goes rabid on this on a regular basis. a few years ago the Utah State patrol
guys were on both highways out of MOAB writing people up.
And on the side, ALL 7 western state have signed a co-prosecution agreement so
there is no escape from the tickets.
I never want ot give joe-county cop a free excuse, too many ways they can mess
you over if they are below their quota.
Dave
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will your tires rub your flares as you flex on the trail? this is the only thing im worried about in my plan to go up to 32s..my 2.5" RC lift is apparently made for 32s..but im afraid ill rub the flares. im looking at your size and you say you have a 2" lift..wondering if your having issues when you flex
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You can always get wider flares so the tires tuck under, the biggest thing to worry about on a TJ is the metal lip on the front fender where the flare mounts the tire tends to rub on that bend it and then bow the fender about in the middle is pretty common on TJ's that get wheeled quite a bit. You can also trim the flares basically cut a good chunk of the lip off
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if he wants to keep his wide stance look, then a body lift would prob be the only way to allow the tire to clear the flare. if you didnt want to use a body lift, would there be a way to limit the upwards travel of the wheel without limiting the downward travel?
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The cheap way to extend the bumpstops is to bolt either a hockey puck to the hump on top of the axle inside of the spring or unbolt the top part that holds the rubber stopper/bumpstop then slipp about 1/2" of washers over the bolt that secures the metal cup that holds the rubber stopper bolt it back in and you are done the latter one you can do without removing the spring
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Stan I wouldn't worry to much about your stock flares rubbing. Those things are pretty strong and will bounce back. My 31's used to rub on them and I never had an issue with breaking or cracking (not to say it cant happen).
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Stan I wouldn't worry to much about your stock flares rubbing. Those things are pretty strong and will bounce back. My 31's used to rub on them and I never had an issue with breaking or cracking (not to say it cant happen).
You're more likely to wear an arch in them then break them.
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Use zip ties to attach your flares and just cut them off when you hit trail and zip em back up before you hit the road
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You're more likely to wear an arch in them then break them.
When I bought my YJ it came with 31's and no lift, and the flares had arches on them where the tires would rub. Never broke one, though...
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So after driving 3 & 1/2 hrs to the river along the 10fwy I found out my speedo is slow by 10mph. My speedo was reading 60-65 but my wife who was following said we were going 70-75 .
I'm surprised that with the 33's and stock 4:10's that it could do that. I did a lot of 5th gear driving which i thought I wouldnt be able to do.
I did notice while climbing some steep hills offroading that it didnt make it up as easily as it used to. So i'm sure the 4:88's will help alot!
There was alot of soft sand because they havent had rain up there in a while so maybe thats why it was harder to make it up some of those hills?
I had the tires aired down to 12psi and they handled great. Thru the rocks and mud (it rained Saturday afternoon) they gripped and didnt get to clogged with mud!
As for the 4" flares they look good and worked great! They threw some mud and rocks up because of a lack of coverage over the tire. But no different than tube fenders in coverage.