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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: Jeffy on January 20, 2010, 12:11:39 AM
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I mentioned in the other thread that if I had to replace my Jeep for whatever reason that I wouldn't not buy another one. Scott wanted to know what I'd get so instead of watering down that thread I'll post a new thread. I've owned my Jeep for a while now. Actually, I've owned it since new which is a rarity these days. That was 16 years ago and two Jeep Generations come and gone. With every new model, everything gets more and more complicated as everything becomes electronic and computer controlled.
One of the big issues for us in California is emissions and testing. For CA the cut off point, thanks to Governor Arnold is 1976. Anything before that is SMOG exempt and this really opens up a lot of options I don't have available with my YJ. Other laws such as the 25 year or older importation law also becomes important as that allows us in the US to import export only vehicles into the country with the least amount of hurdles. For CA, this is a good law to know since many export only diesels fall under this law and are also CA SMOG exempt.
This opens up two options to choose from a pre-76 or a pre-1985. My first choice would be to locate a BJ 40 Series Toyota. Why a BJ? Well, because they are diesel from the factory but otherwise share everything from the FJ 40 series. The other option would be to find a pre-76 FJ. To solve some of the room issues with having a short wheelbase, maybe finding a FJ 43 or 45 Troop carrier, although rare, do pop up once in a while. The other option would be to import a FJ 60 series from Canada which can be had with a diesel engine. They are also LHD which is a bit more convenient then the BJ. The 60's have a lot more room and flat floors which is a big plus. Old FJ are still easy to find in nice condition for a decent price and no rust.
The other choice was a Land Rover but those Series I's and II's are usually pretty rusty and parts are usually $$$ compared to the Toyota's.
So, what would you (all of you) buy if you had to choose another 4x4 that wasn't a Jeep as a daily driver? (realistic budget)
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I'd consider an old H1 converted to run on Diesel or Bio-Diesel. Yeah, they're way too big for a lot of trails, I've heard different reports as to their reliability, they are under-horse-powered but torque is good, expensive to work on and they are noisy. But, you go bio-diesel and you can give the finger to a city's worth of dead-head gripers.
It's got, except for size, outstanding off-road capability depending on options -- inboard brakes, 4 wheel indy suspension yet 16inches of ground clearance, tire inflation/deflation, 35s (?) standard, snorkel/exhaust for water are not problem, decent low range gearing.
Would prefer an Alpha with the better, though still not great horsepower, but those are too expensive I think in this case. And yeah I'd prefer the H1 was about 2/3 the size. But maybe an external cage (?) would keep the body intact when you tried squeezing your way through some s-turns.
Otherwise, I might do an old 70s era Bronco or maybe an old FJ or maybe even a LR Defender
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If it has to be none Jeep I guess an old datsun patrol will do, those you can find from the factory with lockers in the axles and some come with 4.56 gears stock
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I'll take a BJ as well..... :naughty:
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Not to sway away from the original topic but for me its either Jeep or Ford.
Im not a fan of the Ford trucks, so if I dont own an XJ or a TJ, i'd have to say a 96-98 32V Cobra or an 03-04 Termi Cobra. :bow: :bow: :bow:
Or of course I'd take a clean 5.0...
Other than that... there isnt :nono: much that would put a :biggrin: on my face
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It would have to be an early Bronco for me.
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If I had to replace my Jeep with another vehicle I'd probably go for a motorcycle. I've been wanting to get a Vulcan 500 LTD for a while now. Otherwise I guess I'd be walking, because after my Jeep, I don't think I could go back to a normal car.
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New- Newer 545 Bimmer, '01+ Tacoma/Tundra, or Diesel Chevy
Old- 72 or 73 Chevy SCSB, with a 4 speed :thumbsup: or a '70 Chevelle.
Honestly, the thought of replacing my Jeep with a '73 pickup has been on my mind more than ever lately... I'd love to have one that's super clean on 6"'s with 35's
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I'll take a BJ as well..... :naughty:
The BJ isn't well known as the Hummer in the US. :wall: :finger:
Here's a 1982 BJ42 that roams around SF. This one is owned by Adam Savage and has been seen in a few Mythbusters episodes lately. It's a little too stock for my taste though it proves you can have a Diesel in CA. The second pict is more along the lines of what I'd want.
(http://forum.ih8mud.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=375240&stc=1&d=1259344164.jpg)
(http://www.tiemann.com.au/tiemannfamily/jpeg/bj42-1.JPG)
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I really like those FJ40 style rigs! When I was in HS I really wanted one bad!
If I had to make a buying choice right now I would have a hard time choosing between a FJ40,Toyota 4 runner (first gen), Early Bronco. The aftermarket is full of stuff to build those just like the Jeep market.
Like you Jeffy I bought mine new off the lot. If I were to sell it I'd loose my shirt with as much as I have poured into it. Guess I'll have to keep it :doggy:
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I really like those FJ40 style rigs! When I was in HS I really wanted one bad!
If I had to make a buying choice right now I would have a hard time choosing between a FJ40,Toyota 4 runner (first gen), Early Bronco. The aftermarket is full of stuff to build those just like the Jeep market.
Like you Jeffy I bought mine new off the lot. If I were to sell it I'd loose my shirt with as much as I have poured into it. Guess I'll have to keep it :doggy:
I have thought about going the old Bronco or even a IH Scout but for some reason they are a bit harder to find. Especially an uncut bronco. And really if I was going to get one then I might as well get a diesel while I was at it. You can get a Scout with a Nissan diesel but parts for them are getting harder to come buy. I was also looking into Toyota 3rd Gen HiLux's which are again hard to find for some reason. I like the rounded look rather then the squared look of the 4th Gen and later. The cabs are tiny but you can do a lot with the beds. Then again, I hate dealing with CA's ever increasing emission laws and I'd rather not have to deal with them. I was looking at replacing my cat since the forward element broke and there are now CARB approved cats which happen to cost $100 more then the 49 state cat.
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I've had an FJ40, 55 & 60, as well as a '69 Series II Rover. You wouldn't go wrong with any of them. Parts are available for the older Rovers, but you usually have to order them from back East and they come at a premium price.
The 40's are roomier than a TJ, but still pretty small - even for two people and their gear. If it were me, I'd do an FJ60. Tons of room and plenty of after market stuff for them.
Or, what about a Land Rover Disco II? They're a little under powered, but built like a brick outhouse. And, they are truly the ultimate "expedition" vehicle.
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I'll take a BJ as well..... :naughty:
:roflol:
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I've had an FJ40, 55 & 60, as well as a '69 Series II Rover. You wouldn't go wrong with any of them. Parts are available for the older Rovers, but you usually have to order them from back East and they come at a premium price.
The 40's are roomier than a TJ, but still pretty small - even for two people and their gear. If it were me, I'd do an FJ60. Tons of room and plenty of after market stuff for them.
Or, what about a Land Rover Disco II? They're a little under powered, but built like a brick outhouse. And, they are truly the ultimate "expedition" vehicle.
Yeah the 40's aren't much bigger then a Jeep but they have a lot of character. The rear seating arrangement is also nicer for when you need to load a lot of stuff into the back. The Jeeps foldNtumble seats usually just get in the way.
I wouldn't want a Disco II since again, emissions as well as $$$. I think the best deals are for Series 80's and they are usually babied and will run for ever. Not to mention factory lockers.
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I love the Yota's....but I just can't seem to get away from the D90 or D110....I know they are super expensive and no parts are available and.....but I still want to get one and wheel the crap out of it because I've never seen anyone else do it over here...
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When I was in Colorado there was a guy that had a Toyota mini truck with a factory diesel. I forget what year, but It was the only year that Toyota had a diesel avail in the US. Anyway that thing was pretty awesome. He put in a Icelandic crawler box. (before Marlin had his). He made a flatbed for it. It was a pretty sweet setup. Beat to hell but pretty sweet. His wife a a 4runner first gen. with a auto. It was pretty nice too.
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I love the Yota's....but I just can't seem to get away from the D90 or D110....I know they are super expensive and no parts are available and.....but I still want to get one and wheel the crap out of it because I've never seen anyone else do it over here...
Yeah the D110 is some of those I'd love to have but they are pretty rare as only 500-ish of them were officially imported. They still hold a high price as those who are selling them aren't usually hard up for cash.
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I love my LR3, but there is no way in hell that I'd wheel it like the Jeep. Unfortunately, the FJ60 I had was more of a Family Truckster than a 4 wheeler. When I did hit the boonies with it, it was always a very capable off road rig. I have seen some built 60's that I just drooled over - lifted, wheels and tires, all the expedition racks, etc. And the 6cyl. can be built into a real sweetheart of an engine.
I know you mentioned diesel, but the 6cyl. in the 40's and 60's is an incredible engine. It's essentially a direct copy of the old Chevy Bluestreak and many parts are interchangeable. I always ran Chevy mechanical advance distributors in mine. When I blew the six banger in my FJ40, I went the popular route and swapped in a V8 and auto. While having a 327 cranking out 290 hp and mated to a TH400 with a tow truck shift kit was fun, I missed the 6cyl. and 4 speed when wheeling.
I still think you should take a serious look at an FJ60.
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I love my LR3, but there is no way in hell that I'd wheel it like the Jeep. Unfortunately, the FJ60 I had was more of a Family Truckster than a 4 wheeler. When I did hit the boonies with it, it was always a very capable off road rig. I have seen some built 60's that I just drooled over - lifted, wheels and tires, all the expedition racks, etc. And the 6cyl. can be built into a real sweetheart of an engine.
I know you mentioned diesel, but the 6cyl. in the 40's and 60's is an incredible engine. It's essentially a direct copy of the old Chevy Bluestreak and many parts are interchangeable. I always ran Chevy mechanical advance distributors in mine. When I blew the six banger in my FJ40, I went the popular route and swapped in a V8 and auto. While having a 327 cranking out 290 hp and mated to a TH400 with a tow truck shift kit was fun, I missed the 6cyl. and 4 speed when wheeling.
I still think you should take a serious look at an FJ60.
I wish I had the money to buy a Toyota but that just isn't in the cards. I'm stuck with my jeep, which isn't all bad. Although, my mirror did fall off last night because of all of the moisture. ??? I also need to rehang the whole exhaust as it rattles when under hard acceleration. Oh and the constant leaking is pissing me off. :lol: No, I won't be selling my Jeep. :doggy:
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I would probably go with an FJ40, BJ40, or, more likely, long bed one like this one:
(http://image.trucktrend.com/f/11021363+w750+st0/163_news081031_02z+sema_icon_fj45_pickup+front_view.jpg)
(http://image.trucktrend.com/f/11021375+w750+st0/163_news081031_04z+sema_icon_fj45_pickup+rear_passenger_side_view.jpg)
I have seen these first hand, and they are pretty much unstopable... Especially the ones with the 2H diesel engine (4.0L 115HP 177 lb·ft of torque)
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I would probably go with an FJ40, BJ40, or, more likely, long bed one like this one:
I have seen these first hand, and they are pretty much unstopable... Especially the ones with the 2H diesel engine (4.0L 115HP 177 lb·ft of torque)
The ICON isn't a true TLC. That one is supposed to be a 43 series with a 45-ish wheelbase. Not to mention it's a $150K vehicle.
You have the 40 Series which are the short wheel base. Then you have the 43 Series which are a stretched 40 series body so there is a overhang at the rear. Then there is the 45/7 series which are the long wheelbase with seating for 12-16.
(http://images04.olx.fr/ui/1/36/91/2593591_1.jpg)(http://www.crushersrule.com/troopie/mvc-006f.jpg)
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I've always loved Scouts but many ive seen for sale are usually in piss-poor condition. I wouldn't really want to buy something as a DD and have to dump a whole lot of $$ to get it back into shape. Early Broncos are great as well. Before I got the jeep i was on the fence about a 2 door tahoe and a early 90s range rover. The tahoe was real nice and i liked the 2 door option, but i felt like it was a bit too heavy and it wasnt really designed to trail run like the jeep so i figured i would end up dumping $$ into it over broken parts and upgrades-funny, im doing the same with my tj LOL- The rover was REAL nice-lifted, nice set of 32 MTs and not badly priced but insurance was ridiculous.
IF i do get rid of the jeep (let's assume this is a few years down the road and im financially sound and set) i have to say i would opt for a 97 Defender 90. The short wheel base is key on trails. It's only a few inches larger then the jeep (also good for trails), top comes off like the wrangler, and the standard v8 provides the extra bit of power that wouldnt hurt out on the trails.
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Ok...new here....know of a few of you though. If not a Jeep, then a Toyota. Had one in high school. Best (other than the YJ and 4-wheelers) off-raod I ever had. I hate to say it, it almost takes the Jeep. Things I found with it was 1) IT'S GONNA RUST! 2)Don't worry about the rust, tear the bed off, flat bed it and 3) If it don't go up it forward, it will in reverse!......man I miss the Yota......think I should sell the YJ? NAW! Never, had the bug for too long now, can't give it up. BUT, I could buy both if only I could talk the wife into two on-going projects :flush:. Never mind, better stick with the YJ> LAter!
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I'd think about getting back into the air cooled VW's too.
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I'd think about getting back into the air cooled VW's too.
If you had to replace your Jeep? Are you high?!? :drink:
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If you had to replace your Jeep? Are you high?!? :drink:
Well I really do like the older bugs be it street or baja. I really like the Things that have been lifted. Don't see many of them anymore. I also like the bus's. Granted it's not a Jeep and wouldn't take me places where I can go now but they have a certain something about them I like.
I wish I had more time,money and room to do all the various interests I have.
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Well I really do like the older bugs be it street or baja. I really like the Things that have been lifted. Don't see many of them anymore. I also like the bus's. Granted it's not a Jeep and wouldn't take me places where I can go now but they have a certain something about them I like.
I wish I had more time,money and room to do all the various interests I have.
I'm not too big on bugs but I do like Class 11; the true Baja. These guy's are a bit crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/v/CvZXJy_nugc
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I'm not too big on bugs but I do like Class 11; the true Baja. These guy's are a big crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/v/CvZXJy_nugc
Those guy's are crazy! That has got to be a very rough ride!
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Those guy's are crazy! That has got to be a very rough ride!
They are the heard and soul of the Baja 1000 though. Still, I'll take a beat up Toyota HJ45. Enough room to sleep inside or take a whole family to the swap meet. :lol:
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Ya, a Toyota I think would be first choice.
But part of me says if I got out of my Jeep to get into another type of hobby. With the tons of land closures it's harder and harder to go. And I find myself having to drive farther and farther to go. A muscle car or hot rod would be fun too!
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I believe I'd go back to my original vehicle hobby...
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I love the Yota's....but I just can't seem to get away from the D90 or D110....I know they are super expensive and no parts are available and.....but I still want to get one and wheel the crap out of it because I've never seen anyone else do it over here...
there are plenty of parts for them, you'll just end up paying more because of the import tax. ive wheeled in a d90 and it's pretty amazing what even a stock one with a nice set of meats will crawl through. I agree with you, that would be my choice if i couldnt have my jeep.
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How about something like this? Saw it today here in Costa Rica (I remember being asked about some pics of the built up defenders)? Jeffy, here's also a nice idea for an expedition vehicle...
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/4X4s%20en%20Costa%20Rica/DSC03102.jpg)
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I like the D110's but they are rare in NA. Only 512 were ever imported to the US and that was for only one year, 1993. I've seen a few and think they're awesome. Although I like the exo-cage they usually have. Not sure I like those extended fenders but I'm sure he's got to run them with those wide tires. Those limb savers are huge though.
I'm still partial to a FJ60 or FJ80. The 80's would be like a luxury vehicle in comparison to the Jeep.
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I've been looking at a lot of mogs recently. Merc 404S Hardtop Radio Truck.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/S404-300TDI-erg-chebbi.jpg/750px-S404-300TDI-erg-chebbi.jpg)
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I've been looking at a lot of mogs recently. Merc 404S Hardtop Radio Truck.
that would be something - no need for a tent, but most likely lots of $$$
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that would be something - no need for a tent, but most likely lots of $$$
Unimog 404s's are some of the cheapest Unimogs to get into. Think about it this way though. Once you have one, other then tires you won't have to upgrade much else. I've seen 416 Doka's for under $15K. You can get a 404 convertible for less then $10K. A hardtop, radio truck would be a bit more and maybe a bit harder to find but not as hard as one might think since 404's are very common.
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Looks like it's one that was at one time owned by the Dutch air force, my brother used to tool around in one of those
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betya' they're diesel too - one of those would be wicked but one might run into some issues with the city bylaws (we just saw that a little while ago, what a bummer that was).
EDIT: are they common in the US or you'd need to get one over from Europe?
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betya' they're diesel too - one of those would be wicked but one might run into some issues with the city bylaws (we just saw that a little while ago, what a bummer that was).
EDIT: are they common in the US or you'd need to get one over from Europe?
404's are 2.6-2.8L Merc. petrol engines. They are imported into the US fairly regularly. They aren't as hard to find compared to the 416's.
I think most are Ex-Swiss but you can find Ex-Dutch as well. The 404's are all Ex-Military.
That reminds me there is a guy near me who has a 6x6 Pintz. Not my favorite though. I like the Volvo C303 and the Unimog more then the Pintz.
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Here's another pic of the same mog.
(http://www.thisfabtrek.com/journey/africa/senegal-gambia/20051112-st-louis/unimog-frank-4.jpg)
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Unimog 404s's are some of the cheapest Unimogs to get into. Think about it this way though. Once you have one, other then tires you won't have to upgrade much else. I've seen 416 Doka's for under $15K. You can get a 404 convertible for less then $10K. A hardtop, radio truck would be a bit more and maybe a bit harder to find but not as hard as one might think since 404's are very common.
I've seen them for sale here in Mexico ranging between 5000 and 18000 USD. Not bad actually.
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Wow... the idea that I could get such a beefy offroader for less than $10k is pretty enticing. I've seen videos of the Unimog but I figured they were all over $100k.
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i wonder what's the insurance (if any different) for having one registered.
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How about something like this? Saw it today here in Costa Rica (I remember being asked about some pics of the built up defenders)? Jeffy, here's also a nice idea for an expedition vehicle...
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/4X4s%20en%20Costa%20Rica/DSC03102.jpg)
i wheeled one like this on 37s in iceland. it was a 2007 or 2008 model, 4cyl diesel..pulled like a brute.
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i wheeled one like this on 37s in iceland. it was a 2007 or 2008 model, 4cyl diesel..pulled like a brute.
That one was an oil burner as well, but the tires looked about 33's (although I would bet they are metric, though). I liked the set up for the most part (I agree with Jeffy that the limb raisers are a bit grotesque and I would loose the step, but otherwise I liked it)
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i wonder what's the insurance (if any different) for having one registered.
Keep in mind most are from the 60's and 70's so they are old which means they are going to be cheap to insure.
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That one was an oil burner as well, but the tires looked about 33's (although I would bet they are metric, though). I liked the set up for the most part (I agree with Jeffy that the limb raisers are a bit grotesque and I would loose the step, but otherwise I liked it)
I don't mind the limb raisers but those look like they're made from winch cables. :lol:
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I just saw today (from the car; did not get a close look) an FJ40 (or similar; again, I was stuck in traffic and saw it at the used car lot) with rag top for $3,250... I'm starting to get the itch... oh oh!
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I just saw today (from the car; did not get a close look) an FJ40 (or similar; again, I was stuck in traffic and saw it at the used car lot) with rag top for $3,250... I'm starting to get the itch... oh oh!
They can require a lot of maintenance if they haven't been taken care of. That would be my main concern. I wouldn't want to start in a hole that's too deep to get out of. I've seen some really nice ones in CA. Best thing is no rust.
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Best thing is no rust.
Galvanized?
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Galvanized?
Things don't really rust in CA and other dry states. You get some surface rust but it usually doesn't get any worse.
I don't believe mfg's started galvanizing stuff until the early 90's.
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They can require a lot of maintenance if they haven't been taken care of. That would be my main concern. I wouldn't want to start in a hole that's too deep to get out of.
Just like Jeeps! The only mechanical things I haven't fixed or replaced are the steering gear, pump, radiator, and the engine itself! And the steering gear and pump are on the list now too.
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Things don't really rust in CA and other dry states. You get some surface rust but it usually doesn't get any worse.
I don't believe mfg's started galvanizing stuff until the early 90's.
Oh, I thought you meant they wouldn't rust no matter where you are.
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I'm not gonna buy it; I already got ONE money pit, no sense in getting 2... Just daydreaming, though.
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I finally found an actual car that I'd like to replace my Jeep with...
http://www.locostusa.com/
I want to build one.
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I finally found an actual car that I'd like to replace my Jeep with...
http://www.locostusa.com/
I want to build one.
I think you'd be better off with a Caterham 7.
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I think you'd be better off with a Caterham 7.
Nah, they cost too much. Plus, I'm in the U.S. and Caterham is in the U.K., and I can't spend $25,000+ on it. I could build a Locost 7 for less than $10,000. I'd be doing all the work myself except for maybe the body panels.
I'll use a Miata 1.8L as the donor for the engine/trans/axle/suspension/electronics. All that would be left is building the frame/body and swapping the parts. There's more to it than that, sure, but I'm not expecting to have it done in a month :biggrin:
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Nah, they cost too much. I can't spend $25,000+ on it. I could build a Locost 7 for less than $10,000. I'd be doing all the work myself except for maybe the body panels.
I'll use a Miata 1.8L as the donor for the engine/trans/axle/suspension/electronics.
You can build a Caterham 7 from parts as well...
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You can build a Caterham 7 from parts as well...
The Locost 7 and the Caterham 7 are the same car. They're both based on the Lotus 7. The difference is that you build a Locost 7 and you buy a Caterham 7.
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Hmmm...I'm not sure I would question Jeffy on this one.
From Caterham's own website, it looks as though only the CSR model is available pre-assembled at the factory...all other models seem to have an option of assembled or unassembled..... :stick:
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The Locost 7 and the Caterham 7 are the same car. They're both based on the Lotus 7. The difference is that you build a Locost 7 and you buy a Caterham 7.
What I'm saying is that you can build a Caterham 7 as well. There are some other minor differences as well. Neighbor has a classic, Caterham.
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Hmmm...I'm not sure I would question Jeffy on this one.
From Caterham's own website, it looks as though only the CSR model is available pre-assembled at the factory...all other models seem to have an option of assembled or unassembled..... :stick:
I've looked into building one. ;) There are fewer dealers now although I'd rather see one national dealer then a bunch of shoe-string dealers like there was in the past.
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What about a Factory Five GTM or their '65 coupe? Not so expensive (well, not cheap, but you get the idea)...
(http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/attachments/f6/42049d1197723090-z06-engined-factory-five-racing-gtm-supercar-2-250lbs-gtm-b1-spoiler.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2487583444_7b440ef341_o.jpg)
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You might as well go with a Lotus Evora as it will be more pleasant to drive and still pretty exotic while holding true to the lighter is better school.
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You might as well go with a Lotus Evora as it will be more pleasant to drive and still pretty exotic while holding true to the lighter is better school.
Yeah, but it is not quite as cool as the GTM... Plus, you get to build it yourself! I do have to say, though, I like the Evora better than the Elise, but if I were to get a Lotus at all, I'd probably go with the Esprit (even though I hate the dash!); you can pick one up for under 10K (80's model, that is) and fix it up nicely for less than $20K including the cost of the car. Or buy one in pretty good condition for around $25~30K (more than what I have down on the Jeep, still in the ballpark of what I have spent on the Jeep so far)
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Yeah, but it is not quite as cool as the GTM... Plus, you get to build it yourself! I do have to say, though, I like the Evora better than the Elise, but if I were to get a Lotus at all, I'd probably go with the Esprit (even though I hate the dash!); you can pick one up for under 10K (80's model, that is) and fix it up nicely for less than $20K including the cost of the car. Or buy one in pretty good condition for around $25~30K (more than what I have down on the Jeep, still in the ballpark of what I have spent on the Jeep so far)
"Plus, you get to build it yourself!" That can be good and bad depending on who's building it. :whistle:
I like the Cobra Daytona clone but really can't see it being as fun as a real lightweight like a Caterham. Then you get companies like Super 7 who put motorcycle engines into them. Honda Blackbird or Suzuki Hayabusa engine with impressive results. You get the high RPM scream like a Formula car and a sequential transmission. :hump:
http://www.youtube.com/v/B25qE9WThzY
BTW: the Esprit was a crappy car. Horrible transmission and expensive to maintain, which is why they are so cheap. I'd rather buy a old 308B which is also expensive to maintain but a more iconic and impressive car. :twofingers:
BTW: did you see this?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/S5CVGgMBgkI/AAAAAAACmZc/sxJao5QEz3M/s800/Lotus-Evora-007-001.jpg)
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good stuff with the factory 5. i think id like to build a replica cobra one day. would be nice to find an original 427 cobra jet to throw in there but a 5.0 would be plenty of power for that little car. BTW, for those of you in cali...i read in popular mechanics a while back about a company that sells restored FJs, complete with a full off road package, lift, winch, larger tires etc, refreshed interior that balances the classic look with modern equipment..AND equips the FJs with some nice diesels (i think some were even bio diesels) to boot. Prices were around 100 grand though :brick:
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good stuff with the factory 5. i think id like to build a replica cobra one day. would be nice to find an original 427 cobra jet to throw in there but a 5.0 would be plenty of power for that little car. BTW, for those of you in cali...i read in popular mechanics a while back about a company that sells restored FJs, complete with a full off road package, lift, winch, larger tires etc, refreshed interior that balances the classic look with modern equipment..AND equips the FJs with some nice diesels (i think some were even bio diesels) to boot. Prices were around 100 grand though :brick:
The company is called TLC and the rebuild is called the Icon. They also make a CJ3B replica from all new parts as well.
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I've worked on and drove several Lotus 7 clones, if you wear over size 10 shoes you may have issues.. ;)
But they are truly a blast.
Westfield is another option, its got more fiberglass.
Dave
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Speaking of people getting cars...
Today, a friend of mine gave me (as in free of charge) a '94 Corolla DX wagon with the 1.8L 7A-FE (a.k.a. the good Corolla engine.) It has some light front body damage and needs a little TLC but it otherwise runs great. Drawback is, it's an automatic, but manual transmissions are cheap as chill and very easy to swap for these cars. Looks like I have another project car.
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Might also consider a low mileage Power Wagon, also. Not great for some trails, but not bad overall.
If we're talking sports cars -- and I had the cash -- I'd probably buy an Ariel Atom kit with a top of the line engine, then have it shipped to and assembled in So Cal (that is, provided the build would clear CARB and could be set up legally for US roads).
The Caterhams looks pretty good, too and probably drive great.
If I couldn't afford to go too exotic for sports-cars, then I'd probably say a late model Boxster S -- Boxsters in general get no respect for Porsche enthusiasts, but they are very well balanced and excellent driving. Tough to do your own work on though.
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I like old Porches, Had a 69 911T was terribly fun, easy to work on and weighed nothing.
And except on the straights It was hard for anybody to catch me... ittly bitty 2 liter 6.
The later luxo box Porches lost something...
Dave
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I'm going back to the originl topic of this and if I didn't have my Jeep (note even though I currently don't have a transmission in my Jeep I still wouldn't sell it have way too much into it to ever get out of it) or maybe even in addition to my Jeep, as I would like to make my Jeep more into a DD weekend wheeler that looks nice and build a better trail rig, I would go a completely different route than most of you, and buy a second gen Dakota Quad Cab, 318 5spd, and build a monster truggy and keep it streetable. Would have either 609 axles or a set of portals 47" or larger tires, sitting as low as possible w/ lots of droop and little up travel to the suspension, boatsided, exo-caged, custom bed/cage, probubly running some kind of radius arm front suspension and a single link 1/4 eliptical rear.
I fully believe in the it's not what you buy it's what you build.
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The subject was supposed to be if you didn't have your Jeep or you had to replace it with another 4x4 (given your current budget or how ever much your Jeep is worth) what would it be.
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The subject was supposed to be if you didn't have your Jeep or you had to replace it with another 4x4 (given your current budget or how ever much your Jeep is worth) what would it be.
I'd probably try to get a Unimog like the one I saw yesterday at Rhino Linings here in Costa Rica; I have to drop by today again, and if it's there, I'll take a picture of it. It's sort of like a unimog pickup. Quite nice, and was not so big (as in long), even if it did need new tires.
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I'd probably try to get a Unimog like the one I saw yesterday at Rhino Linings here in Costa Rica; I have to drop by today again, and if it's there, I'll take a picture of it. It's sort of like a unimog pickup. Quite nice, and was not so big (as in long), even if it did need new tires.
There are many different variations as they were built to order. I'm partial to the 416 Radio trucks, Ambulances and even the drop-sides. A Doka (Double Cab) would be nice but hard to find with a box on the back. Most are tilt beds or drop sides. I do wish you could get the PTO and the lower gear box together but you can only have one or the other. So if it has a PTO it won't have the extra gear box. I think the most common seem to be the 404s troop carriers but unlike most other Mogs, the 404's are petrol and because of this, they don't get as good gas mileage.
I've heard of some people doing swaps with Merc sedans but they tend to be more expensive then if they just bought a 406 or 416. You can also find U1300's around now as well. These are the larger mogs.
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Here's the one I mean:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/4X4s%20en%20Costa%20Rica/DSC_0003.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/4X4s%20en%20Costa%20Rica/DSC_0002.jpg)
By the way, this was parked in my office today:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/4X4s%20en%20Costa%20Rica/DSC_0001.jpg)
Felipe
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that unimog looks like quite a beast. nice size also (smaller than i would envision for such a heavy duty built vehicle)
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Is that a PTO winch on the Unimog?
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Here's the one I mean:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/4X4s%20en%20Costa%20Rica/DSC_0003.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/jfrabat/Jeep/4X4s%20en%20Costa%20Rica/DSC_0002.jpg)
Felipe
That's looks like a little 406 with the 3-way tilt bed. The PTO is probably 20K lbs. I like it.
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That's looks like a little 406 with the 3-way tilt bed. The PTO is probably 20K lbs. I like it.
It does have the 3 way tilt bed (I just did not get a pic of it). It also allows the use of a hydraulic or mechanical winch (the mechanical which they have is not the one for the Unimog, which is why it sticks out as much as it does). Has more ground clearance than a D60 Jeep with 46" wheels, but it also weighs a ton (actually, more like 3 tons).
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It does have the 3 way tilt bed (I just did not get a pic of it). It also allows the use of a hydraulic or mechanical winch (the mechanical which they have is not the one for the Unimog, which is why it sticks out as much as it does). Has more ground clearance than a D60 Jeep with 46" wheels, but it also weighs a ton (actually, more like 3 tons).
Most PTO's, unless it's mounted mid-ship will stick out like that one.
If you didn't think it was possible, here's one that's even uglier. :wine: I'm guessing they used a PTO off a small crane or wrecker.
(http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/po/091128/244r6/70753mj_20.jpeg)
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(http://unimogwherehaus.com/truck4sale/1979_weiss.jpg)
$16,000. It's a 404s so it has the petrol engine. It would make a great camping/expedition vehicle.
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1.) its possible for me to not have a jeep? i mean i could own less than three or four, but none? :puzzled:
2.) offroad option: mog with expedition body build
3.) street and trail: modern dodge diesal built simular to power wagon
4.) still counts: i would love another subie, but it cost way too much last time, still 500bhp 4wd on dirt :clap:
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2010 Ford F-150 Raptor, if I had to replace I would buy something new.