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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: chrisfranklin on April 09, 2010, 10:08:18 AM
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An 8274, starting price is $800. I've seen others go for $300-500 and heard of people getting them for $200. Of course, these need a pretty extensive go through.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Warn-8274-Warns-Workhorse_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3a598a86bfQQitemZ250610353855QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_500wt_1065
See if this dude gets any bids. Nice find stripped off a cash-for-clunkers vehicle though. What would you pay for it?
(And I know there's plenty of good, less expensive winches out there, and that the 8274 is good but that there are probably plenty of winch models just as good out there that will go 20-40 years with some maintenance)
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Also, any big difference between the 8274s and the 8274-50s?
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It's not a good deal, especially when you consider it's going to cost $75 to ship and if he doesn't pack it correctly, you'll end up with an empty box.
The -50 has the higher HP motors. Other then that, it's the same. I'd keep your options open and consider a Warn M8000 as they are usually pretty cheap. Even new, they are under $600. The M8000 and the M8274's are some of the oldest designed from Warn. You can usually find M9000's for pretty cheap as well since they have been surpassed by the 9500.
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Thought about it some more. Check your local Craigslist. That's usually the best place to find a used winch. Since it's local, you won't have to pay for shipping.
Another winch, I'd probably look for is a Tabor 9000. These are built by Warn for the Export market. The only difference is the lower HP motors (which all older Warns used) black paint and some plastic parts that replace the metal ones in no-stress areas like handles and such. So it's a Warn without the Warn price. Be aware that there are a lot of no-name winches on the market as well. Smittybilt, Bulldog, T-Rex, etc... These are made in China so quality can be hit and miss. Since you seem to have a healthy budget, I wouldn't bother with any of those. Stick with Warn. They have an awesome Customer Service as well.
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Thats a lot of money for an 8274. I'd wait and keep looking on ebay and CL. I've been looking for a while and there are much better deals. You could get a Warn xd9000i for $500-$600 used.
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I have one the line speed is awesome. The -50 was denotated in honor of warm 50th anniversary I found out. the higher hp power motor is $77 brand new. So to me not a deal breaker. The line looks good from pic but you will pay 100 for one that somebody takes off switching for synthetic. Also the mount is different than other winches and doesnt seem to have fairlead. Minimal fab skills a mount can be made. It appears to have the newer solenoid cover and connector for control. If it has the newer solenoids that can still be found I say good buy. If its the older style that are obsolete and often replaced with ford starter solenoids I say no deal. If it needs rebuilt I say 500 tops. If its mount and go 800 is about right. The warn 8000 can be had for 5-600 latley new and is still a warn but line speed no where near the 8274. I wouldnt trade a new 8-9000 for my 8274.
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Ask for the serial number and the date code from the tag on the cover, looks like my 8274 that was built in '75. Paid $100 for mine, they're a great winch.
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Have you seen the Runva 9500lb rock crawler winch on ebay? It is about 60lbs or 45lbs with synthetic line for about $350. It only has 50ft of line though.
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Have you seen the Runva 9500lb rock crawler winch on ebay? It is about 60lbs or 45lbs with synthetic line for about $350. It only has 50ft of line though.
Well, there are two groups of thinking. One is to get any cheap winch since you won't be using it that often. The other group spends more for a known dependable winch that will last a lifetime.
I'm in the later since I like to buy once. Like what's been said, you can buy a decent Warn M8000, M9000 or an old M8274 for a a bit more. All Warn winches can be rebuilt. Keep in mind though, the M8274 is around 20 lbs heavier and uses a different mount then all other winches.
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Have you seen the Runva 9500lb rock crawler winch on ebay? It is about 60lbs or 45lbs with synthetic line for about $350. It only has 50ft of line though.
if you're going for knockoffs might as well buy a cheaper one - this one is $250 and has close to 100ft of cable http://cgi.ebay.ca/12V-VORTEX-9500-LB-Pound-Recovery-Winch-JEEP-TRUCK-SUV_W0QQitemZ170468256762QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27b0b32bfa
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Pretty good deal if you know what you're doing and can source the parts.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120550468246
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That auction for that 8000 is pretty decent.
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Craigslist is still the best place to look but you'll have check back every few days as they seem to pop up in cycles. I've seen some 8274's for around $500 that I was going to jump on but someone else beat me to it. The nice thing about the M8000 and the M8271 is that they are old so there are many of them out there. For the right price, I wouldn't turn down a M8074 or a Bellview either.
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these things got cheap, check this one out - 10k, wired and remote control, 87ft 3/8'' cable for $350 with free shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/10000LB-Self-Recovery-Winch-10000-lb-5-8-HP-VIPER_W0QQitemZ300415511443QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item45f228eb93#ht_5251wt_1156
it's a knockoff but still
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these things got cheap, check this one out - 10k, wired and remote control, 87ft 3/8'' cable for $350 with free shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/10000LB-Self-Recovery-Winch-10000-lb-5-8-HP-VIPER_W0QQitemZ300415511443QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item45f228eb93#ht_5251wt_1156
it's a knockoff but still
yeah thats also "made buy gorilla winch. my buddy used it one time and it smoked from the motor. it was brand new and never had any pulls on it.
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Most no name winches come from China and are just selected from what the factory makes then a sticker is added. Very few like the T-Rex are actually built to the companies specs. A friend of mine got a T-Max for his Jeep when they first came out. I think it was teh first time he used it and it crapped itself and blew up inside. Not the motor but the gears. He went back to Warn after that. Now that I look for T-Max, they may have gone under or sold or renamed themselves. I think the "Gorilla/Venon/Viper" is the same winch as the old T-Max.
Really, if you're going to go cheap you might as well go with a company that's big like Smittybilt or Harbor Freight.
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I wouldn't mind keeping things light-weight. A synthetic cable would seem to help quite a bit with that, whether its on an 8274 or 8000. Of course, the 8274 is probably a bit heavier than the 8000, synthetic cable or not.
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I wouldn't mind keeping things light-weight. A synthetic cable would seem to help quite a bit with that, whether its on an 8274 or 8000. Of course, the 8274 is probably a bit heavier than the 8000, synthetic cable or not.
One of the problems is that the rope takes a lot more care then with wire rope. You can leave a wire cable attached to the winch for years and not have any issues. Wire cables can take a lot more abuse in general and don't need any special care. Although you could remove the synthetic rope and respool it only when you need it. A M8000 will weight in around 75lbs, The 8274 is around 90lbs. Then you add 20lbs or so with the winch plate...
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OK..it is a personel desicion. Like everything else with our beloved jeeps. I was stuck"bad" trying to get in position to give a tug at the badlands during a snow storm. Forgot bout time zone change and after hours on accident. broke a 20,000lb strap and bent a tow hook. Tried the hilift method and moved it 12inches after 45 minutes of "jacking". At that point and time I decided that a winch was my next addition.
In just about all my wheeling experience theres always that guy. You know the guy. Sometimes its me. That knows without a doubt their not going to get thru it. Everybody on the trail is exited to see how far they make it. But then for the next 30-60minutes bummed because there watching yet another unneccesary extraction. Some may even want to take a break after the recovery when the rest of people on train wanna wheel after sitting for an nhour. This is where the 8274 seperates its self from the pack and if you have one people look to you to get er done. The line speed is awesome. When I am spooling in my guy has to let go about 10ft from jeep in fear for his fingures. Less time recovering more time wheeling!
Guy owed me 300 for cage work he never lived up to. Has surplus of parts and gave me an 8274 from 1974. 40 golf cart solenoids and 77 4.6hp motor and new power and ground cables,125ft warn cable and fairlead from new take off from a cat going synthetic and I would say all worth it. Oh plus fabbed an old school cj mount to work for yj.
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I clicked one one of those cheapy winches posted up and line speed was topped at under 25 ft a min. 8274 is 73. When it comes to recovery this isnt the place to cheap out and if you actually wheel you will know this. I would say go warn or possibly superwinch I havnt heard to many bad super winch stories....Theres a hill named after mile marker at cliffs extreme terrain just because guy was ther 1/2 day with slow ass winch
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For more people line-speed won't matter as long as they get unstuck. I think too much attention is put on line-speeds. Before that it was all about winch motor HP. Then it got crazy when everyone changed out HP was recorded and so it upped their stats from the older motors even if they didn't change the motor. Then it was about LBS's as many dumped their 9000's for 9.5's when they came out...
On the other hand, most of those cheap winches are slow for a reason. More then likely, they use cheap motors which is what really matters. Some winches also use permanent magnets instead of electromagnets in the motors which reduces the amp load but also weakens the motor.
Like with safety gear, it doesn't pay in the long run to go cheap.
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There are a couple of things I dont like about the 8274; first of all, they are BIG, which means reduced air flow to the radiator, which is not that great when you live in a permanently hot area... Also, line speed; it may sound good to have more line speed, but it also makes the winching operation a bit more dangerous (less time to react, more chance to get your hand stuck on the winch). Of course, the winch is nearly undestructable, which is defenetly a plus. Personally, I am happy with my Superwinch, but it has yet to stand the test of time the way the 8274 has.
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Chris, this is a good deal. It won't last!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Warn-M8000-26502-NIB_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dSIQ26ituQ3dUCIQ252BUAQ252BFICSQ26otnQ3d8Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d63Q26clkidQ3d9166833812018654366QQ_trksidZp3907Q2em263QQcategoryZ33653QQitemZ200460102454
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There are a couple of things I dont like about the 8274; first of all, they are BIG, which means reduced air flow to the radiator, which is not that great when you live in a permanently hot area... Also, line speed; it may sound good to have more line speed, but it also makes the winching operation a bit more dangerous (less time to react, more chance to get your hand stuck on the winch). Of course, the winch is nearly undestructable, which is defenetly a plus. Personally, I am happy with my Superwinch, but it has yet to stand the test of time the way the 8274 has.
It blocks a lot of my radiator, but never had an issue on the 2.5L, and we have some steamy humid summers. You're right about the no-load line speed, you definitely have to be on your toes or you will get hurt at 75ft a minute. Then there's the run-on after letting off the controller, due to the centrifugal force of the large heavy gears.
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I've never had any cooling issues either and I've run an 8274 or Bellview on all of my jeeps. The reason I run an upright winch is that they are less prone to overheating the winch motor. Nothing worse than having to stop and let the winch cool down. They are also simple and awfull hard to break.
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Chris, this is a good deal. It won't last!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Warn-M8000-26502-NIB_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZalgoQ3dSIQ26ituQ3dUCIQ252BUAQ252BFICSQ26otnQ3d8Q26poQ3dLVIQ26psQ3d63Q26clkidQ3d9166833812018654366QQ_trksidZp3907Q2em263QQcategoryZ33653QQitemZ200460102454
Thanks for pointing that one out, FourBangerYJ. I've mostly seen those sell for $500-$600. You ever seen a new M8000 sell that low before?
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Thanks for pointing that one out, FourBangerYJ. I've mostly seen those sell for $500-$600. You ever seen a new M8000 sell that low before?
I don't know about Scott but I bought my M8000 new in '98-'99 for $429 shipped from CA to HI. I had a friend of a friend who was a manager at 4WPW in Tustin set it up. After Warn changed the HP ratings, all the winches seem to have jumped $100. Mine is the basic M8000, 80ft cable and a hawse fairlead. I like the hawse fairlead since it's no profile. I can always get a longer cable or use an extension if I need to.
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Thanks for pointing that one out, FourBangerYJ. I've mostly seen those sell for $500-$600. You ever seen a new M8000 sell that low before?
That is way cheaper than I bought mine for. I got mine thru 4x4rockshop about 5 years ago. IIRC it was between 5-600 shipped. But it had the 80 ft cable not the 100.
It's a great winch for the money! I'd love to have the 8274 but for as much as I have used mine (mostly to bail out others) the M8000 is more than enough!
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I paid i think 539 for my warn 8000 if i recall from 4WP