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General Forums => The Mess Hall => Topic started by: Jeffy on May 21, 2011, 10:00:09 PM
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I'm trying to decide between the PC's and the HPS. I'm thinking the PC's would be better. Thoughts? Any other pads that are better value/performance?
http://www.hawkperformance.com/truck/ceramic.php
http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/hps.php
I'm probably going to be ordering new rotors instead of turning mine.
Wagner BD125039 Disc Brake Rotor
http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-BD125039-Disc-Brake-Rotor/dp/B001O106R6/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I7OFVAAIMLAQT&colid=WG3JTMMB3ZB8
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Check Napa for the rotors, got mine for $33 something.
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Check Napa for the rotors, got mine for $33 something.
Not worth it to get local. I'm buying everything online as usual. I've got to choose which brakes though. I think the CP's are going to be better but are they worth it?
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I think I would do the PC's.
I have also ran these http://www.performancefriction.com/aftermarket/aftermarket-brake-pads.aspx I could lock the front tires (35's) on dry pavement. They are better than the ones I am running now. I went with some cheapy ones from Napa.
Not sure on the costs between the 2 brands.
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Yeah, I'm thinking I'll go with the PC's. There isn't much of a price difference and Hawk recommends them for SUV's and Trucks, whatever that means.
I've also noticed Raybestos sells a rotor that's a bit cheaper. The problem I have is what's too cheep? Seems when they're under $40, that's already pretty cheap. These are under $30. Anyone use them?
http://www.amazon.com/Raybestos-780444R-Professional-Grade-Brake/dp/B001OBKIWY/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Model=Wrangler|356&n=15684181&s=automotive&Make=Jeep|42&Year=1992|1992&carId=001 (http://www.amazon.com/Raybestos-780444R-Professional-Grade-Brake/dp/B001OBKIWY/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Model=Wrangler|356&n=15684181&s=automotive&Make=Jeep|42&Year=1992|1992&carId=001)
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How about Centric? I don't know Centric at all but I do know Stop-Tech. http://www.centricparts.com/
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brakes.jsp?make=Centric&model=Premium+Rotor&group=Premium+Rotor&autoMake=Jeep&autoModel=Wrangler&autoYear=1992&autoModClar=
I was also looking at the brake pad chart and it looks like Ceramic's don't stop as well as Composites. I thought Ceramic's had better braking?
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/results.jsp?autoMake=Jeep&autoModel=Wrangler&autoYear=1992&autoModClar=
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Ceramics don't have the best braking the material is just the best at producing the least brake dust. So you sacrifice a little of one aspect to gain another. Just depends on your preference.
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Always seemed to me that ceramics last longer also,but it may just be me.I usually run ceramics whenever its time for new ones.
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Ceramics don't have the best braking the material is just the best at producing the least brake dust. So you sacrifice a little of one aspect to gain another. Just depends on your preference.
They do have the best stopping power, once they're warmed up, ceramic brakes work opposite of metallic brakes in that the hotter they get the better they work. That's why their used on performance (high speed) vehicles (porsche, SRT8, SS) those kinds of things. They'll stop a vehicle going speeds that would turn iron brakes into pudding, but they need to heat up to work properly. For a Jeep, I'd stay away from Ceramics just because its a low speed crawl-ass vehicle not a highspeed haul-ass vehicle.
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Always seemed to me that ceramics last longer also,but it may just be me.I usually run ceramics whenever its time for new ones.
They do last a long time though.
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They do have the best stopping power, once they're warmed up, ceramic brakes work opposite of metallic brakes in that the hotter they get the better they work. That's why their used on performance (high speed) vehicles (porsche, SRT8, SS) those kinds of things. They'll stop a vehicle going speeds that would turn iron brakes into pudding, but they need to heat up to work properly. For a Jeep, I'd stay away from Ceramics just because its a low speed crawl-ass vehicle not a highspeed haul-ass vehicle.
the ceramic is in regards to pads, you're talking about rotors and in that case you're probably thinking of carbon ones. Speed has nothing to do with how hot they get (and for what it's worth the faster you go the quicker they cool), it's the braking power you need and that is clamping force on the rotors, heavier vehicles need more clamping force for the same size brakes
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I have read that the Ceramics so last long, are quieter and have less dust but none of those things are important compared to how well they brake. Like I said, I got +76K miles out of my front OE pads.
I do know complete ceramic brakes with the rotors are the best but are also $$$. I'm just not sure about pads with steel rotors.
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Have had good experience using performance friction, hawk and EBC yellow-stuff pads on different rotor designs and vehicles
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Have had good experience using performance friction, hawk and EBC yellow-stuff pads on different rotor designs and vehicles
What rotors are you using now? I remember you went with a drilled and slotted a while back.
I'm wondering about maybe going with a DBA Street Series Gold - http://www.dba.com.au/node/5334. Amazon has them and I don't have to pay 3-Day Shipping with my Prime. Strange thing is the Street Series Slotted are the same price. I've noticed the same thing on Qtech as well. About $106 each. Hard to justify the more expensive rotors when they're an additional $60 though. The LR guy's seem to like the Auzzie stuff though.
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i read somewhere a while back that you shouldn't use drilled or slotted for offroad, something about dirt/mud getting stuck in there and contaminating the pads and rotor.
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i read somewhere a while back that you shouldn't use drilled or slotted for offroad, something about dirt/mud getting stuck in there and contaminating the pads and rotor.
Yeah, rocks can get stuck and can chew up the pads if you don't' check them. The more that I think about it the more I'm thinking I'll probably go with Wagner OE discs since the Jeep doesn't really go fast enough to take full advantage of the slots/drills anyway. $120 extra is a big difference, too.
So back to pads. EBC, Wagner, AC Delco, Hawk, Power Stop, etc... So many to chose from. Like, I said earlier though, I'm not worried about noise or dust. Don't want to wait for my brakes to warm up either.
http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-17D477M-Disc-Brake-Pad/dp/B000C9FTBE/
http://www.amazon.com/Raybestos-PGD477C-Professional-Grade-Brake/dp/B000CK9NOW
http://www.amazon.com/Bendix-D477CT-CT-3-Ceramic-Brake/dp/B000C2NPBM
http://www.amazon.com/Bendix-D477-Ceramic-Brake-Pad/dp/B000S2V4IW
http://www.amazon.com/Hawk-Performance-HB210F-677-HPS-Brake/dp/B000COAZEK
http://www.amazon.com/Hawk-Performance-HB210Z-677-Ceramic-Brake/dp/B000K01UMW
Any others I should consider?
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Couldn't wait and placed an order. Got the Wagner OE Replacement rotors and Hawk HPS pads. Went with the HPS as their semi-metallic. I'm not sure if this is still true but the ceramics need to be warmed up. I know this is true on full ceramic brakes but not sure about pads alone. I suspect it's still true to some extent. The harder pads tend to eat the rotors faster because of this.
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I got the EBC rotors and yellow stuff pads. JpMagazine did a review on the setup awhile back and appear to have installed them on a modified Grand Cherokee.
http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/wheels/154_0910_high_caliper_performance_ebc_brake_upgrade/index.html (http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/wheels/154_0910_high_caliper_performance_ebc_brake_upgrade/index.html).
http://www.jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0801_1999_2004_wj_jeep_grand_cherokee/index.html (http://www.jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0801_1999_2004_wj_jeep_grand_cherokee/index.html)
I actually got the EBC setup for the front awhile back -- believe in 2006 or 2007 -- and they've performed well.
The rotors are dimpled/slotted but don't have full-on holes. I've read it suggested that the slots don't cause the problems that drilled rotors have been said to have.
I am assuming the slots clear out brake dust fairly well and maybe prevent pad glazing. Something is certainly different for the better -- I notice vs the old pads/rotors that the EBC pads always seem to bite the disks well, even after hard and repeated braking.
I've certainly tried to get rocks stuck in the slots/dimples, but no luck as yet. I'll keep working on it though. ;)
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I got the EBC rotors and yellow stuff pads. JpMagazine did a review on the setup awhile back and appear to have installed them on a modified Grand Cherokee.
http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/wheels/154_0910_high_caliper_performance_ebc_brake_upgrade/index.html (http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/wheels/154_0910_high_caliper_performance_ebc_brake_upgrade/index.html).
http://www.jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0801_1999_2004_wj_jeep_grand_cherokee/index.html (http://www.jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0801_1999_2004_wj_jeep_grand_cherokee/index.html)
I actually got the EBC setup for the front awhile back -- believe in 2006 or 2007 -- and they've performed well.
The rotors are dimpled/slotted but don't have full-on holes. I've read it suggested that the slots don't cause the problems that drilled rotors have been said to have.
I am assuming the slots clear out brake dust fairly well and maybe prevent pad glazing. Something is certainly different for the better -- I notice vs the old pads/rotors that the EBC pads always seem to bite the disks well, even after hard and repeated braking.
I've certainly tried to get rocks stuck in the slots/dimples, but no luck as yet. I'll keep working on it though. ;)
OE pads are generally cheap to say the least. I don't doubt there is a lot of room for improvement but after talking with a few people, I'm not sure if you really need to spend a lot to reap the benefits. Most of the reasons for getting drilled and slotted rotors aren't really going to be an issue with a Jeep. At least a slow moving Jeep.
I'm sure the pads I bought will be a nice improvement to the stock ones. Funny how I remember how to bleed brakes. The last time I had to bleed brakes manually was probably over 20 years ago. Was able to do it without a second person as well.
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I hate to say it, Jeffy, but I think the Hawk pads were what i had on my stock rotors before I made the change over to the EBC Pads/Rotors. If I recall correctly, the Hawk pads were the reason why I needed new rotors in the first place. The pads worked great, but they thinned out my oem rotors in a hurry.
That's why I went with the same brand for pads/rotors on the replacement -- figured there would be fewer surprises.
But, still, those new rotors you bought aren't too pricey, so you can always swap in some new ones if they wear quickly.
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I hate to say it, Jeffy, but I think the Hawk pads were what i had on my stock rotors before I made the change over to the EBC Pads/Rotors. If I recall correctly, the Hawk pads were the reason why I needed new rotors in the first place. The pads worked great, but they thinned out my oem rotors in a hurry.
That's why I went with the same brand for pads/rotors on the replacement -- figured there would be fewer surprises.
But, still, those new rotors you bought aren't too pricey, so you can always swap in some new ones if they wear quickly.
There are a few different compounds so you can't lump all brakes together. The HP+ are marketed to SOLOII and are known to eat rotors. That's because you need to heat them up before they grip. Hard braking with cold brakes will eat up the rotors. I think this is also true to some extent with the ceramics. But on the flip side, they don't create the heavy dust you usually get with carbon-metallic/semi-metallic brakes.
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I remember "Ferro carbon" and "HPS" as descriptors of the Hawk pads I had. Didn't do the ceramics. Yours will probably work fine.