Topic: Hawk Perfromance Brakes

[Jeffy]

I'm trying to decide between the PC's and the HPS.  I'm thinking the PC's would be better.  Thoughts?  Any other pads that are better value/performance?

http://www.hawkperformance.com/truck/ceramic.php

http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance/hps.php

I'm probably going to be ordering new rotors instead of turning mine.

Wagner BD125039 Disc Brake Rotor

http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-BD125039-Disc-Brake-Rotor/dp/B001O106R6/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I7OFVAAIMLAQT&colid=WG3JTMMB3ZB8

[grumpygy]

Check Napa for the rotors, got mine for $33 something.

[Jeffy]

Check Napa for the rotors, got mine for $33 something.

Not worth it to get local.  I'm buying everything online as usual.  I've got to choose which brakes though.  I think the CP's are going to be better but are they worth it?

[FourbangerYJ]

I think I would do the PC's.

I have also ran these http://www.performancefriction.com/aftermarket/aftermarket-brake-pads.aspx  I could lock the front tires (35's) on dry pavement. They are better than the ones I am running now. I went with some cheapy ones from Napa.

Not sure on the costs between the 2 brands.

[Jeffy]

Yeah, I'm thinking I'll go with the PC's.  There isn't much of a price difference and Hawk recommends them for SUV's and Trucks, whatever that means.

I've also noticed Raybestos sells a rotor that's a bit cheaper.  The problem I have is what's too cheep?  Seems when they're under $40, that's already pretty cheap.  These are under $30.  Anyone use them?

http://www.amazon.com/Raybestos-780444R-Professional-Grade-Brake/dp/B001OBKIWY/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Model=Wrangler|356&n=15684181&s=automotive&Make=Jeep|42&Year=1992|1992&carId=001

[Jeffy]

How about Centric?  I don't know Centric at all but I do know Stop-Tech.  http://www.centricparts.com/

http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brakes.jsp?make=Centric&model=Premium+Rotor&group=Premium+Rotor&autoMake=Jeep&autoModel=Wrangler&autoYear=1992&autoModClar=

I was also looking at the brake pad chart and it looks like Ceramic's don't stop as well as Composites.  I thought Ceramic's had better braking?

http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/results.jsp?autoMake=Jeep&autoModel=Wrangler&autoYear=1992&autoModClar=

[4BangerTJ]

Ceramics don't have the best braking the material is just the best at producing the least brake dust. So you sacrifice a little of one aspect to gain another. Just depends on your preference.

[b.hog]

Always seemed to me that ceramics last longer also,but it may just be me.I usually run ceramics whenever its time for new ones.

[RT]

Ceramics don't have the best braking the material is just the best at producing the least brake dust. So you sacrifice a little of one aspect to gain another. Just depends on your preference.

They do have the best stopping power, once they're warmed up, ceramic brakes work opposite of metallic brakes in that the hotter they get the better they work. That's why their used on performance (high speed) vehicles (porsche, SRT8, SS) those kinds of things. They'll stop a vehicle going speeds that would turn iron brakes into pudding, but they need to heat up to work properly. For a Jeep, I'd stay away from Ceramics just because its a low speed crawl-ass vehicle not a highspeed haul-ass vehicle.

[RT]

Always seemed to me that ceramics last longer also,but it may just be me.I usually run ceramics whenever its time for new ones.

They do last a long time though.

[sharpxmen]

They do have the best stopping power, once they're warmed up, ceramic brakes work opposite of metallic brakes in that the hotter they get the better they work. That's why their used on performance (high speed) vehicles (porsche, SRT8, SS) those kinds of things. They'll stop a vehicle going speeds that would turn iron brakes into pudding, but they need to heat up to work properly. For a Jeep, I'd stay away from Ceramics just because its a low speed crawl-ass vehicle not a highspeed haul-ass vehicle.

the ceramic is in regards to pads, you're talking about rotors and in that case you're probably thinking of carbon ones. Speed has nothing to do with how hot they get (and for what it's worth the faster you go the quicker they cool), it's the braking power you need and that is clamping force on the rotors, heavier vehicles need more clamping force for the same size brakes

[Jeffy]

I have read that the Ceramics so last long, are quieter and have less dust but none of those things are important compared to how well they brake.  Like I said, I got +76K miles out of my front OE pads.

I do know complete ceramic brakes with the rotors are the best but are also $$$.  I'm just not sure about pads with steel rotors.

[chrisfranklin]

Have had good experience using performance friction, hawk and EBC yellow-stuff pads on different rotor designs and vehicles

[Jeffy]

Have had good experience using performance friction, hawk and EBC yellow-stuff pads on different rotor designs and vehicles

What rotors are you using now?  I remember you went with a drilled and slotted a while back.

I'm wondering about maybe going with a DBA Street Series Gold - http://www.dba.com.au/node/5334.  Amazon has them and I don't have to pay 3-Day Shipping with my Prime.  Strange thing is the Street Series Slotted are the same price.  I've noticed the same thing on Qtech as well.  About $106 each.  Hard to justify the more expensive rotors when they're an additional $60 though.  The LR guy's seem to like the Auzzie stuff though.

[sharpxmen]

i read somewhere a while back that you shouldn't use drilled or slotted for offroad, something about dirt/mud getting stuck in there and contaminating the pads and rotor.