Topic: It finaly happened

[Jeffy]

True-tracs front and rear used to be considered hard core in the 80's.  You were really hard core if you ran a Detroit and 33's.  LOL!  

THe only downside to running a front true-trac is that you'll have some understeer when turning.  This is because the LSD will want to go straight and fights when turning.  You'll probably notice it the first week out.  Otherwise, you should be fine.  Tru-Trac's are very smooth and should hold up well.

[01amberfirewv]

Yea, I have been reading alot about them.  Our trails are narrow and muddy and there are a lot of side hills.  I have noticed that the fully locked guys tend to end up down hill on the side of the trail.  I know that the TT's may cause this too but I would think it will be more controlable than the full lockers.  Should be easier on the diffs too :wink:

[trailerrails]

The reason that the people with lockers end up sliding down the hill is when all your wheels are spinning it is easier to slide sideways. If you only have 2 wheels spinning then the other two will help with keeping side traction. You'll experience the same thing in the snow.

[joe-joe]

Something else I have been thinking about is running hardend shafts and front and rear true tracs.  I have been wanting to go with 4.88's too and would liek to do it all at once

I am running that exact combo. I have truetracs in my D30 and d35 with yukon hardened shafts with 4.88 gears. I have been out about 5 trips with zero breakage. I love the improvement on the trail and the truetracs are invisible on the road. IF I were you, I would look for truetracs on ebay. I got both of mine used for about $200 each and they were like new.

[01amberfirewv]

thanks for the tip, I'll keep an eye on Ebay

[Jeffy]

Yea, I have been reading alot about them.  Our trails are narrow and muddy and there are a lot of side hills.  I have noticed that the fully locked guys tend to end up down hill on the side of the trail.  I know that the TT's may cause this too but I would think it will be more controlable than the full lockers.  Should be easier on the diffs too :wink:

Easier?  The main problem is with shock loads on the dog teeth of a locker.  This is why you hear of many breaks with Lock-Rights an EZ's and Aussie's and not so much with Detroits and ARB's.

True-trac's unlike clutched LSD's will only turn up to 2.5:1 out of sync with the other tire which helps with the shock load.  You can still shear axle shafts though.  You don't hear about them anymore but the Auburn locker was known to shear off axleshafts because it was a very strong LSD.

[01amberfirewv]

Wouldn't the hardend shafts help with that?

[Jeffy]

It's a bit of a game when hardening materials.  You'll see that most stock axle shafts will twist off and have a pointy end.  This is because the outside of the shaft is hardened but the inner parts aren't.  Hardened parts will tend to shear off in a straight line as if someone cut it.

Basically, it's the same difference between a Grade 5 bolt and a Grade 8.

[chrisfranklin]

I think the straw that broke the camels back was the partialy pulled e-brake

Take it with the D35, you don't want to use your emergency TJ hand-brake and apply power (low range, which is close to triple the torque in the stock T-case) simultaneously, when you are going uphill on a trail.  Good to know.   :|

[Jeffy]

Take it with the D35, you don't want to use your emergency TJ hand-brake and apply power (low range, which is close to triple the torque in the stock T-case) simultaneously, when you are going uphill on a trail.  Good to know.   :|

You'll just have to sit there and wait for someone with lockers and bigger axles to help you...  

[chrisfranklin]

I'll settle for being the guy who installs front/rear Aussies and is patient enough to take the time to recognize a bad line before he drives it...

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Trail Woman:  "Chris, I'm stuck again... I know you are just running the D30/D35, but you always air out,  run the tough front and rear warrantied alloy Aussies, get big traction and don't drive rutts like you're in the Baja 500, so you are the only one left who can pull me out..."

Chris: "Yeah but, what about those guys with the 4bangers and the big axles, the Detroits and the 35" tires? Can't they help you? They say they have the right set-ups?"

Trail Woman:  "I've been sitting here for an hour and all I've heard is a bunch of "clicking" and "banging" and "snapping."  Haven't seen any other Jeeps, though...

Chris: Don't worry babe, I'll get you out of there :D .  And, don't worry about those noises either...  All that is probably from the other Jeeps I was talking about...  They make the noise to cause the Deer and other wildlife to feel safer out here.  ...Good with the animals those Jeep 35" folks."  

[Jeffy]

I'll settle for being the guy who installs front/rear Aussies and is patient enough to take the time to recognize a bad line before he drives it...

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Trail Woman:  "Chris, I'm stuck again... I know you are just running the D30/D35, but you always air out,  run the tough front and rear warrantied alloy Aussies, get big traction and don't drive rutts like you're in the Baja 500, so you are the only one left who can pull me out..."

Chris: "Yeah but, what about those guys with the 4bangers and the big axles, the Detroits and the 35" tires? Can't they help you? They say they have the right set-ups?"

Trail Woman:  "I've been sitting here for an hour and all I've heard is a bunch of "clicking" and "banging" and "snapping."  Haven't seen any other Jeeps, though...

Chris: Don't worry babe, I'll get you out of there :D .  And, don't worry about those noises either...  All that is probably from the other Jeeps I was talking about...  They make it to cause the Deer and other wildlife to feel safer out here.  ...Good with the animals those Jeep 35" Ford-Legger folks."  

Finally got off your front locker only (aka: SS Sinking Ship), I see.  Doal lockers and some good tires will get you far.  Futher then the guy who wants to stuff 35's with a 5" body lift and stock gears, that's for sure.