Man I have a buddy who has a storage unit next to a guy who makes Gates and fences, well he has a pile of metal that is scrap to him. I took a bunch of 4'' pipe and welded it all together and made a front and rear bumper. I even found some 2'' pipe and made a tire carrier. The Pipe sections were about 14'' inch long so I had to weld them together to make it across the heep. All in all for a backyard welder they turned out great for $85.00 The only issue is the bracing for the bumper is very poor just using the factory holes. If my camera still worked I would post some pics.