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Gas gauge faulty?
« on: December 03, 2009, 11:38:08 AM »
HELP......I have run out of gas four times since I have had my 92 YJ.....that is since May of this year. My gauge reads just under 1/2 tank...and it starts to spit and cough......that gives me a few miles before it dies. I get about 140 miles before I start to panic. Any suggestions.....new sending unit, new gauge.....????

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Re: Gas gauge faulty?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 12:10:36 PM »
HELP......I have run out of gas four times since I have had my 92 YJ.....that is since May of this year. My gauge reads just under 1/2 tank...and it starts to spit and cough......that gives me a few miles before it dies. I get about 140 miles before I start to panic. Any suggestions.....new sending unit, new gauge.....????
EDIT: correction, i would test the gauge first by unhooking the connector at the gas tank and see if the needle goes all the way down to empty - as described in the FSM procedure below (i just realized that is the easiest way in your case to tell if it's the sender or the gauge).

this is what i would do
measure the ohms on the sending unit when you know the tank is almost empty with a multimeter - i can't remember what the value is but you could probably do a google search and find out what it should read. fill up 1/2 tank and measure again, then fill up all the way and take a 3rd measurement - if the readings are correct as per specs (or close since you won't know if it's all the way down) then you know the sender is ok. If the readings are off then you need to replace the sender. I think mine is an 80 ohm ('95 YJ) and would read close to zero when the tank is full.

I think you have a TJ (EDIT: you have a YJ, just read that in another thread), but the idea of how to test it i would think is the same as with mine - here's the testing method for the gauge for 95YJ/XJ from the FSM.  the 3 pins mentioned are A-ground, B-fuel sender (that is in the center) and C-fuel pump relay (fuel pump 12v when the relay is active) - keep in mind that this is for YJ so if you use this method you should at least identify the connector pins to make sure they are the same and adjust accordingly if they are not - as per #1 below if you disconnect the connector that goes to the pump/sender your gauge should go all the way to zero (this seem to apply to you as your gauge never goes all the way down), if it doesn't go to empty it points to the gauge being the problem according to the procedure - i am pasting it from 95YJ FSM, page 5 and 6 from file 95XJ_8E.pdf


FUEL GAUGE
The diagnosis found here addresses an inoperative
gauge condition. If the problem being diagnosed is related
to gauge accuracy, be certain to confirm that
problem is with gauge and not with fuel tank. Inspect
fuel tank for signs of damage or distortion that
could affect sending unit performance before you proceed
with gauge diagnosis. Refer to Group 14 - Fuel
System for more information.
(1) Turn ignition switch to ON. Disconnect fuel
gauge sending unit connector. Connector is located
near the left front corner of the fuel tank. The gauge
needle should move to low end of gauge scale. If OK,
go to next step. If not OK, go to step 4.
(2) Connect a jumper wire between terminals A
and B in the body half of the fuel gauge sending unit
connector (Fig. 2). The gauge needle should move to
high end of gauge scale. If OK, refer to Group 14 -
Fuel System for procedure to replace sending unit. If
not OK, remove jumper wire and go to next step.
(3) Turn ignition switch to OFF. Disconnect battery
negative cable. Check for continuity between terminal
A in the body half of fuel gauge sending unit connector
and a good ground. There should be
continuity. If OK, go to next step. If not OK, repair
circuit to ground as required.
(4) Remove instrument cluster bezel and cluster
assembly. Disconnect instrument cluster connector A.
(5) Probe cavity B1 of cluster connector A. Check
for continuity to a good ground. There should be no
continuity. If OK, go to next step. If not OK, repair
short circuit as required.
(6) Still probing cavity B1 of cluster connector A,
check for continuity to cavity B of sending unit body
half connector. There should be continuity. If OK, replace
gauge. If not OK, repair open circuit as required
« Last Edit: December 03, 2009, 12:20:05 PM by sharpxmen »
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 12:42:02 PM »
mine does pretty much the same thing. Half tank on the gauge means i really have less than a quarter tank left. I live with it. Haha. I really dont mind. You shouldnt be running out of gas if you know about how many miles you get to the tank anywho. Just fill it up when you think your running low.

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 01:12:47 PM »
mine does pretty much the same thing. Half tank on the gauge means i really have less than a quarter tank left. I live with it. Haha. I really dont mind. You shouldnt be running out of gas if you know about how many miles you get to the tank anywho. Just fill it up when you think your running low.

from what he said i take it that his will show 1/2 tank even when he's empty. Mine is not accurate either - meaning that showing 1/2 doesn't mean it's 1/2 full but when it's empty the needle will be all the way down. I think the problem with accuracy can also be related to the 2 tank options that were available on YJs, 15gal and 20gal tanks, which were in fact the same but with a tube on the breather fitting that would go in and limit how much you can fill the tank with - since at 15 gallon would show full that probably is the same for the 20 gal tank since i don't think they made 2 types of sending units, so if you have the 20 gallon capacity one the 1/2 tank on the gauge would be off by about 2.5 gallons if not more if my assumptions are correct (7.5gal vs 10 gal) and since it's a larger one you probably see the gauge on full for a bit before it starts moving down.
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Re: Gas gauge faulty?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 02:02:54 PM »
i don't think they made 2 types of sending units, so if you have the 20 gallon capacity one the 1/2 tank on the gauge would be off by about 2.5 gallons if not more if my assumptions are correct (7.5gal vs 10 gal) and since it's a larger one you probably see the gauge on full for a bit before it starts moving down.
Actually, they did make two sending units.  If you have the 20 gallon conversion done then the gauge will be pegged for 5 gallons.

Gas gauges on jeeps have always been an issue.  Mine has had problems for several years now.  It won't jump when I turn the ignition on anymore.  The engine needs to be running for it to show me how much gas I have.  Also, the needle gets stuck, I think it's most likely the sender but I'm not 100% sure as the inside of my dash does get wet.  When I run it really low, the needle gets stuck at E for a while then gets dislodged and returns to normal.  The ohms reading for the sender should be 0 ohm, empty and 90 ohm, full.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 02:12:05 PM »
Actually, they did make two sending units.  If you have the 20 gallon conversion done then the gauge will be pegged for 5 gallons.

well in that case could be that mine was converted as the it has the symptoms that i described, or who knows maybe they ran out of the 20 gallon ones on the assembly line. Or maybe they're just off by that much. I wouldn't mind changing the sender though if i could get better readings on it, no big deal but i do find it annoying at times.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 03:13:26 PM »
Dont the sending units get damaged over time off road use with all the bouncing around? Thats what I heard.

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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 10:47:44 AM »
I'm no electrical wizard, but wouldn't it be possible to rebuild the sending unit w/the 20 gallon electricals? I'm guessing it's some sort of resistor...

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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 11:00:45 AM »
I'm no electrical wizard, but wouldn't it be possible to rebuild the sending unit w/the 20 gallon electricals? I'm guessing it's some sort of resistor...

the mounting is the same, the tanks are identical so it's a simple matter of replacing/swapping the sending unit - but i don't think that is his problem by the description he posted, hopefully he'll give us an update.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2009, 11:06:21 AM »
I know that I can go about 200 miles on a tank with mine and I also have the 20 gal conversion done, so I just fill up when i get to about 180 or so.  Also when I replaced my gauges with the Autometers, I have not had anymore problems with the gas gauge acting up, or the needle getting stuck... maybe the jeep gauges are just bad to begin with  :confused:

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Re: Gas gauge faulty?
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2009, 11:23:56 AM »
The 15 and 20gal sending units, when working properly, both read empty at the same point.  Sounds like you need a new sending unit.

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2009, 07:27:44 PM »
Thanks everybody for the feedback. This is what makes this forum great. I will test the sending unit.....probably end up replacing it....then see what happens. Will advise once I figure it out.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 10:04:43 AM »
I just had the same issue on my 91 yj. It wound up being corrosion on the contact pins the connect the flat wiring to the gauge. A little fine sandpaper and some di-electric grease and the gauge reads correctly.