Topic: Hawk Perfromance Brakes

[Jeffy]

i read somewhere a while back that you shouldn't use drilled or slotted for offroad, something about dirt/mud getting stuck in there and contaminating the pads and rotor.

Yeah, rocks can get stuck and can chew up the pads if you don't' check them.  The more that I think about it the more I'm thinking I'll probably go with Wagner OE discs since the Jeep doesn't really go fast enough to take full advantage of the slots/drills anyway.  $120 extra is a big difference, too.

So back to pads.  EBC, Wagner, AC Delco, Hawk, Power Stop, etc...  So many to chose from.  Like, I said earlier though, I'm not worried about noise or dust.  Don't want to wait for my brakes to warm up either.

http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-17D477M-Disc-Brake-Pad/dp/B000C9FTBE/

http://www.amazon.com/Raybestos-PGD477C-Professional-Grade-Brake/dp/B000CK9NOW

http://www.amazon.com/Bendix-D477CT-CT-3-Ceramic-Brake/dp/B000C2NPBM
http://www.amazon.com/Bendix-D477-Ceramic-Brake-Pad/dp/B000S2V4IW

http://www.amazon.com/Hawk-Performance-HB210F-677-HPS-Brake/dp/B000COAZEK
http://www.amazon.com/Hawk-Performance-HB210Z-677-Ceramic-Brake/dp/B000K01UMW

Any others I should consider?

[Jeffy]

Couldn't wait and placed an order.  Got the Wagner OE Replacement rotors and Hawk HPS pads.  Went with the HPS as their semi-metallic.  I'm not sure if this is still true but the ceramics need to be warmed up.  I know this is true on full ceramic brakes but not sure about pads alone.  I suspect it's still true to some extent.  The harder pads tend to eat the rotors faster because of this.

[chrisfranklin]

I got the EBC rotors and yellow stuff pads.  JpMagazine did a review on the setup awhile back and appear to have installed them on a modified Grand Cherokee.  

http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/wheels/154_0910_high_caliper_performance_ebc_brake_upgrade/index.html.  
http://www.jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0801_1999_2004_wj_jeep_grand_cherokee/index.html

I actually got the EBC setup for the front awhile back -- believe in 2006 or 2007 -- and they've performed well.  

The rotors are dimpled/slotted but don't have full-on holes.  I've read it suggested that the slots don't cause the problems that drilled rotors have been said to have.  

I am assuming the slots clear out brake dust fairly well and maybe prevent pad glazing.  Something is certainly different for the better -- I notice vs the old pads/rotors that the EBC pads always seem to bite the disks well, even after hard and repeated braking.  

I've certainly tried to get rocks stuck in the slots/dimples, but no luck as yet.  I'll keep working on it though.  

[Jeffy]

I got the EBC rotors and yellow stuff pads.  JpMagazine did a review on the setup awhile back and appear to have installed them on a modified Grand Cherokee. 

http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/wheels/154_0910_high_caliper_performance_ebc_brake_upgrade/index.html. 
http://www.jpmagazine.com/featuredvehicles/154_0801_1999_2004_wj_jeep_grand_cherokee/index.html

I actually got the EBC setup for the front awhile back -- believe in 2006 or 2007 -- and they've performed well. 

The rotors are dimpled/slotted but don't have full-on holes.  I've read it suggested that the slots don't cause the problems that drilled rotors have been said to have.   

I am assuming the slots clear out brake dust fairly well and maybe prevent pad glazing.  Something is certainly different for the better -- I notice vs the old pads/rotors that the EBC pads always seem to bite the disks well, even after hard and repeated braking. 

I've certainly tried to get rocks stuck in the slots/dimples, but no luck as yet.  I'll keep working on it though.   

OE pads are generally cheap to say the least.  I don't doubt there is a lot of room for improvement but after talking with a few people, I'm not sure if you really need to spend a lot to reap the benefits.  Most of the reasons for getting drilled and slotted rotors aren't really going to be an issue with a Jeep.  At least a slow moving Jeep.

I'm sure the pads I bought will be a nice improvement to the stock ones.  Funny how I remember how to bleed brakes.  The last time I had to bleed brakes manually was probably over 20 years ago.  Was able to do it without a second person as well.

[chrisfranklin]

I hate to say it, Jeffy, but I think the Hawk pads were what i had on my stock rotors before I made the change over to the EBC Pads/Rotors.  If I recall correctly, the Hawk pads were the reason why I needed new rotors in the first place.  The pads worked great, but they thinned out my oem rotors in a hurry.   

That's why I went with the same brand for pads/rotors on the replacement -- figured there would be fewer surprises.

But, still, those new rotors you bought aren't too pricey, so you can always swap in some new ones if they wear quickly.

[Jeffy]

I hate to say it, Jeffy, but I think the Hawk pads were what i had on my stock rotors before I made the change over to the EBC Pads/Rotors.  If I recall correctly, the Hawk pads were the reason why I needed new rotors in the first place.  The pads worked great, but they thinned out my oem rotors in a hurry.   

That's why I went with the same brand for pads/rotors on the replacement -- figured there would be fewer surprises.

But, still, those new rotors you bought aren't too pricey, so you can always swap in some new ones if they wear quickly.

There are a few different compounds so you can't lump all brakes together.  The HP+ are marketed to SOLOII and are known to eat rotors.  That's because you need to heat them up before they grip.  Hard braking with cold brakes will eat up the rotors.  I think this is also true to some extent with the ceramics.  But on the flip side, they don't create the heavy dust you usually get with carbon-metallic/semi-metallic brakes.

[chrisfranklin]

I remember "Ferro carbon" and "HPS" as descriptors of the Hawk pads I had.  Didn't do the ceramics.  Yours will probably work fine.