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Liljeepz

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Wheel/tire question
« on: July 29, 2006, 02:00:34 PM »
I'm looking into the rims/wheels I want/need.
The question I have on the rims is what is the difference from the 15x8 and the 15x10? is it just the off set for bigger tires? I'm looking to get 32x11.5 tires or 31x12.5.
Is there a big difference in weight from steel or alloy rims?
Other question...
I'm looking at the Super swamper Radial SSR for my tires. Any one use these or know of anyone who dose, How do they ware, and how are they off road in dirt/mud? Any one have any other Superswampers that you can tell me a about them?
My Jeep is my every day driver, I drive about 60-70 miles a day for work.
Noise doesnt bother me. I plan on going off roading at LEAST every other week.
Any info on any of this would be great!

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Re: Wheel/tire question
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2006, 02:51:58 PM »
Quote from: "Liljeepz"
I'm looking into the rims/wheels I want/need.
The question I have on the rims is what is the difference from the 15x8 and the 15x10? is it just the off set for bigger tires? I'm looking to get 32x11.5 tires or 31x12.5.
Is there a big difference in weight from steel or alloy rims?
Other question...
I'm looking at the Super swamper Radial SSR for my tires. Any one use these or know of anyone who dose, How do they ware, and how are they off road in dirt/mud? Any one have any other Superswampers that you can tell me a about them?
My Jeep is my every day driver, I drive about 60-70 miles a day for work.
Noise doesnt bother me. I plan on going off roading at LEAST every other week.
Any info on any of this would be great!


If you're only going with tires that are 12.5" wide or less then I'd stick with an 8" wide wheel if you offroad much.  The 8 will keep your tire on the wheel better then if you went with a 10.

As for wheel weight and strength, a forged aluminum wheel is very strong and light.  You'll see a few lbs difference going from a 8-10 just as it is.  Comparing a aluminum 8 to a steel 10, you're probably looking at 10lbs difference or more depending on the wheel company.

Now for the tires.  Typically, anything Interco won't get great mileage (Truxus excluded).  They are usually heavy, especially the bias ply tires although those aren't the only ones.  Consider this; a GYMTR from a Rubicon will probably weight about as much as a 35" GY MTR.  Why?  well because the Rubicon's tires are E load rated while the standard 35's are C.    You could put those Rubicon tires on a 3/4-1Ton truck.

What makes the tire wear fast is the tire compound and SSR's are still pretty soft.  SS's get very loud when they wear down.  I can uaually hear a Swamper on the highway well before I ever see the truck.  Since you're doing quite a bit of onroad with the tires, I'd probably look at a different tire.  Truxus MT, BFG KO or KM, Dunlop MT, Yokohama Geo MT, GY MTR, maybe even a Toyo, although they're all 13.5's.

Even keeping the weight down, you're still looking at a tire and wheel that weighs around 80-100lbs each.

Also keep in mind that it's a bit harder to keep wider tires on wide wheel under the Jeep's stock flares.  I'd probably use a more standard size tires then those off sizes.  (Although I used to run 32x11.5's.)  If you want to compromise then I'd consider a 33x9.5 or 33x10.5.  The narrower tire will cut down on weight and roll resistance.  Not to mention cut through the air better.  If that won't do it for you then go with a standard 31x10.5.  There's nothing wrong with 31x10.5's.  They are very common size tires and work well.  ALthough with a 9.5 or 10.5 you could run them on your stock wheels and either go with spacers or turn the steering stops out a bit.  I still think you could do well with some slightly used Rubicon wheels.  Looks really nice and the tires are heavy duty.  Although you will be moving up to a 16" wheel.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2006, 02:52:40 PM »
the diff in 15x8 and 15x10 is the width, the second number means how wide the rim is it doesn't represent the off set, i run the street lock rims they are all steel with a fake bead lock that goes around the outside of the rim, and they are heavy yet tough, i  run 33x12.50 bfg mud terrains and my tires and rims are never really balanced perfect because of the weight. This leads to  a little steering wheel wobble at certain speeds, but nothing compared to death wobble.  also keep in mind super swampers are very heavy tires so if you drive your jeep as a daily driver the loss of ride quality is going to be very noticable and they wear down fast too, but they kick a$$ off the pavement

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2006, 03:35:44 PM »
Is this the tire you where talking about jeffy?
I was also thinking about this rim, or even this rim!


Not sure about how well this beed lock works, I havent reserched bead locks yet. There not a bad price.

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2006, 04:31:36 PM »
Quote from: "Liljeepz"
Is this the tire you where talking about jeffy?
I was also thinking about this rim, or even this rim!


Not sure about how well this beed lock works, I havent reserched bead locks yet. There not a bad price.


Those are cast aluminum wheels.  They are still lighter then steel BUT aren't as strong as billet or forged wheels.  Forged wheels like the standard Alcoa's, Centerline and others are hammer forged which makes them stronger because material is compressed till it's the right shape rather then cut away.

As for beadlocks, I'd stay away from them if you're not going hardcore wheeling.  Streetlocks or simulation beadlocks are a bit poseurish.  Most real beadlocks aren't DOT legal though.  The other problem is mounting the wheel and torquing the wheel correctly so it doesn't leak or overtorque the bolt so they break.  Fairly common to hear about someone who sheared off lock ring bolts from impropper torquing.  In any case, save your money and get the standard wheels.  If you wheel it, the nice simulation ring will get chewed up and you can't replace the rings and bolts like with real beadlocks so they will look bad after a few encounters.

Honestly, the best overall off and onroad tire is probably the MTR.  With any tire you'll have to make some sacrafices.  Generally, tire choice will depend on the terrain though.  The most common tire anywhere is probably the TSL Swamper.  The bias ply tires are a lot stronger then a radial BUT they wear fast if you have to put any soft of street mileage on them.  BFG's have softer sidewalls but unless you're running rocks or lots of rutted tree lines, they are good tires.  Get a spare and Road Hazard warranty and you'll be fine.  I haven't run the Truxus myself but I've heard they are decent tires.  Although I'm still a bit scheptical of ther overall mileage.  Interco's never really get high mileage as any of the other big companies have.

The only problem with the MTR's is price.  They are good tires.  I like their onroad handling a lot more then my old BFG AT's.  Probably get about the same amount of life from them too (>40K miles).  I've run some 500 mile trips and used to commute 40miles each way and had no problems.  I've run at highway speeds with only 9psi and lived to tell about it. (Although I wouldn't recommend it.)

Although I've been thinking for my next set of tires, I might go with some cheaper 33x10.5 MT's on my stock 15x6 wheels then save my 8.5" for my 35's.  No point putting so many street miles on an expensive tires.
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2006, 04:47:48 PM »
I have the 31" GY MTR's and love them. Being in Chicago you'll appreciate how good they are in the snow too. I'm Just north of you in Racine, WI and I was impressed last winter.

Liljeepz

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2006, 09:43:11 AM »
Thanks guys, you gave me a bunch of things to think about.
I will re-think the rims I'm going to get, I may just get some steal rims for now tell I get a bigger lift. I'm still thinking about getting the Trxus MTR, the GY MTR are an awesome tire but there a LOT more money for getting 5 of them :\  $950 vs. $575  :shock: +rims & shipping.

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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2006, 09:43:26 AM »
i have the stock rims and rubber from my dads rubicon on my jeep.. which from what jeefy said means i haev a hevyer tire on it than i thought :cry: ..... but anywaqy the second rim you pointed out.(mcytompson clasic lock) we have on 2 jeeps and they look great. i was going to put those rims on my jeep but since we already had 2 wehiculs with them i decided ill save my money and not amke all our jeeps look alike...

and we have superswampers n our  cj2a and they work great in the mud but after having them for 6+ years and using them onroad at times they have worn down and we will need new ones soon
1990 YJ 4cly, ax5, 2.5 inch BDS lift, 31 MTr\'s,  Powertrax-lockers all around, track-bars removed, boomerang shackles, warn m8000 winch, electric fan. [sold but not forgotten]

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