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DodgeMudder

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Re: Would a 3500lb winch work for a TJ ???
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2007, 05:44:05 PM »
Some good reading for those interested in winches.

Winches in hell

The biggest surprise to me was that the Harbor Frieght special is one of the few winches that proved it will last a hard days use.

Yeah, but this makes you wonder what a second day would have brought. "It didn’t finish with the vigor it had at the beginning of the test, but it lacked the good sense to quit and survived all the Winches In Hell challenges.",  doesn't really give you that warm fuzzy feeling.  Still the CE is/was a Ramsey.  I'm not sure if you'd want to clump all of the other sub-$300 winches with it.

Right, but when your out wheeling and stuck in a bad situation, it comes down to a couple things at least for me it does, which would I rather have no winch waiting for enough extra money to buy a "good" winch, a basic winch that isn't the best but will work when needed, or one of the winches that cost more and still couldn't finish the test.  They make excuses for why this winch and that winch failed, but I'm sorry when I'm sitting in the middle of nowhere on the skid on a peice of ice, I don't care how well my winch works, as long as I get to drive home at the end of the day.  But hey, thats just my opinion on things, and thats why I have a Harbor Frieght winch sitting on the front of my Jeep.

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Re: Would a 3500lb winch work for a TJ ???
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2007, 06:08:03 PM »
Right, but when your out wheeling and stuck in a bad situation, it comes down to a couple things at least for me it does, which would I rather have no winch waiting for enough extra money to buy a "good" winch, a basic winch that isn't the best but will work when needed, or one of the winches that cost more and still couldn't finish the test.  They make excuses for why this winch and that winch failed, but I'm sorry when I'm sitting in the middle of nowhere on the skid on a peice of ice, I don't care how well my winch works, as long as I get to drive home at the end of the day.  But hey, thats just my opinion on things, and thats why I have a Harbor Frieght winch sitting on the front of my Jeep.

Oh, I agree that having a cheap winch is better then no winch at all especially if you're in the middle of nowhere.  Those guy's who wheel close to home don't really have that sort of problem.

I would have liked to have seen actual models named of all of the winches, not just the finishing three.   They end up generalizing a brand to whatever model they choose.  Also, a lot of those winches, T-Max, Mile Marker, Bull Dog aren't really any better then a CE.  At least the CE is a Ramsey.  A friend of mine had his T-Max grenade under mild use.  (It's Chinese made like the other two.) The CE is an older Ramsey but one that's been around for a while and has proven itself.

Also, they're using a Warn 9.5XP which is one of Warns Ultimate Performance Series.  So basically you're paying more for it right off the bat.  The law of diminishing returns come to mind.  They probably could have done just as well with an older Warn like the XD9000 or even a M8000.  These are a lot cheaper but are as strong as any other Warn and have years of use to back them up.  You can still find the occasional Tabor 9000 for under $500 as well.  They went up in price after Warn acknowledged the brand as theirs, which is a bit sad.  I wouldn't have any problems getting a used Warn either.  M8274's can be had for as little as $2-300.

That said, bought my M8000 for $417.  This was before they upgraded the motors so it's slower then the current model.  I've got no complaints though.  You can even buy a new M600 for that price today.  It's slow and not nearly as cool as a lot of the new winches but it's solid.
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Re: Would a 3500lb winch work for a TJ ???
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2007, 07:32:02 PM »
I was asked by a forum member here to address and clarify a couple issues pertaining to the "Winches In Hell" article.  Additionally you will find the installs/reviews for all of the participant winches.

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I would have liked to have seen actual models named of all of the winches, not just the finishing three.   They end up generalizing a brand to whatever model they choose.

I want to thank Jeffy for the above comment.  Winches In Hell is the culmination of month’s worth of articles, but I can see how it might appear as though we were generalizing without knowing of the series of articles.  Each winch had its own install and review.  My reasoning for thanking you is that unless you were one of the regular readers of MOABJEEPER.com Magazine you would not have known that.  We will be adding the install article links to the bottom of the electronic version of Winches In Hell.  The print version in our sister publication Jrations had all of them listed in one article.

Dodgemudder stated:
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They make excuses for why this winch and that winch failed, but I'm sorry when I'm sitting in the middle of nowhere on the skid on a piece of ice, I don't care how well my winch works, as long as I get to drive home at the end of the day.

There were no excuses made for any of the winches.  They failed as they did for the reasons stated which directly eliminated them from the competition.  An excuse would have allowed them to continue.  My best speculation as to why this claim of "excuses" was made is the reference to the Mile Marker SX9.5.  However, as we stated, the winch was not for sale and had not been tested.  We feel that there is credit deserved for entering an untested winch, which we stated, yet no allowances were made for this winch.


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Yeah, but this makes you wonder what a second day would have brought.

We have continued to use all of these winches and will do for two years.  All companies entering the challenge understood this because we too wanted to know how they would do over the long haul.  MOABJEEPER.com Magazine will run update articles on all winches.

An extra tidbit... many wanted to know how some of the other winches would have performed if they hadn't failed for whatever reason.  MOABJEEPER.com Magazine went back to Moab, Utah and ran this challenge again for those that failed.  This article will be out in the next couple of months titled "Winches In Hell, Redemption"


Great comments by everyone I quoted and hope that my posting helps to clear up any questions.

Last comment, great site!  At the bottom of this post under the links I have posted a picture of my own 4 banger. 



Warn 9.5xp
http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=329

Superwinch epi9.0
http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=338

Chicago Electric 9000lb Winch
http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=334

T-max EW9000 Competition Series Winch
http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=361

Mile Marker SX9.5
http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=348

Ramsey Patriot 9500UT
http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=347

Bulldog 9500
http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/technical/listing.cfm?articleID=366



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Re: Would a 3500lb winch work for a TJ ???
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2007, 07:39:45 PM »
Sorry but I forgot to introduce myself in the above post so you knew why I replied.  I am the president of MOABJEEPER.com Magazine.


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Re: Would a 3500lb winch work for a TJ ???
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2007, 12:03:55 AM »
Ah, that helps a lot and makes a big difference.  Thanks for posting the additional information.  Oh and welcome. :thumb:
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Re: Would a 3500lb winch work for a TJ ???
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2007, 06:37:53 AM »
Welcome George...I read the JRations version and am looking forward to the follow-up article as I was wondering how some of the "prototype" winches would do once they were issued as production items.

Great picture...the look of fear on your passenger's face is priceless.   :thumb:
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