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jeepys

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Shackle reversal
« on: November 15, 2005, 01:35:41 PM »
I have a 94 Wrangler with a 3.5 Black Diamond lift that is very stiff. I am thinking of reversing the shackles for a long time now. I want to ask the ups and downs of a convertion like this. I want to buy the rubicon express kit. What about the front drive shaft? I heard that you need to lengthen it. Every information from anyone will be helpfull

Offline Jeffy

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Shackle reversal
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 06:41:27 PM »
Well, there are a lot of things you can do before resorting to SRS's.  Remove the front trackbar will make a huge difference.  Since the leafs are a bit stiff you probably won't miss it.  Most people don't even reuse the rear.  Replace the nuts on the shackles with nylocks then loosen them a bit.  If they were torqued down while the suspension was in the air, they will be very tight.  I believe the FSM say's something like 90lbs-ft.  This is really high and will more better loser.  This is also why you need to use nylocks and not the standard nut.  It could back out and fall off.

Shackle reversions will do nothing for you offroad.  Onroad, they will soften the suspension.  If not ddone right, they will soften it enough that you will start to experiance bumpsteer and a lot of body pitching under hard braking.    There isn't a problem with the front driveshaft being too short.  As the suspension compresses, the axle will move rearward a bit.  This can cause the tires to rub against the fenders and the driveshaft to bottom out under full compression.  If it bottoms out with force, the transfer case will break.  So you have to make sure your driveshaft has enough travel in both directions.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 10:32:59 PM »
At first thanks Jeffy for the fast answer. I have replaced from the begining the nuts on the shackles with nylocks and I did loosen them a bit. It didnt work a lot. As for the track bar I removed it one time and drove without it for quite a lot but didnt notice any difference so I put it back on. I dont think I will have a problem with the compression on the driveshaft since it is already gone out a little from the 3.5 lift and the kit I'm thinking of will give another inch of lift. The extension is what worrys me. I heard it could fall out at full extension of the suspension.

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2005, 12:10:02 AM »
I'm runing that same suspension on my 95 YJ and I love it.  I've removed the front tracbar and the antisway bar too.

What shocks are you running?  
How can a shackle reversal 'soften' the springs?

I'm running Currie's greasable shackles and Bilsteins 5100 shocks.   Now the ride isn't a good as OME, and I haven't had the chance to compare it to a RE or Currie kit, but it flexs like a demon.

I'll agree with Jeffy...  loosen the shackles and grease the piss out of the ends of the springs.  Take them apart, or feather them out and add some teflon anti friction pads at the very ends of each leaf.  

You're talking about Warn Black Diamonds, right?  Not ProComp??   :roll:

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2005, 07:13:04 AM »
I have the Black Diamond kit that Quadratec sells the one with tha double military wrap. I run The Black diamond shocks that came with the kit but I think of changing them with the old man emus. At the back the flex is ok but it sits about an inch lower than the front. Maybe the spings are designed to match a 4 liter motor and a winch and the added weight. I am putting the longer rubicon express bumerag shackles at the back in a few days. But the reason I'm thinking of the shackle reversal is the smoother way I hear it works on pavement because I do a lot of miles there every month.
Has anyone actually done it? All the things you all say seem right, but I want to hear impressions from someone that is working that mod on hiw jeep and has experience with it.

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2005, 11:00:13 AM »
Old Man Emu shocks, part number N33L & N34L.  Longer travel F & R for a 3-5" suspension lift.  

Before you invest in longer rear shackles, seriously consider the shackle reversal.  Most kits that are on the market lift the front end.  If you spend something on the rear, you may be shooting yourself in the foot. After a shackle reversal kit you may end up in the same boat.

I see in the OME application guide that the front springs are not different for a 4 or 6 cyl.  They have different rears (hard top or soft).  I have seen many a people put heavy rear springs on all 4 corners, but I do not this Black Diamond has any variation to their springs.  The only offer fronts and rears, period.  No different weight considerations.
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2005, 02:22:05 PM »
Whatever you decide don't bolt shackle hangers below the frame for a shackle reversal, the correct method is to cut and sleeve the frame to mount the shackles at the correct height.  You'll retain correct caster and keep your ground clearance.