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pioneer4x4

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2008, 08:45:45 PM »
Runnin' behind again, as usual...    I've had my header on for about two yrs.  I just went outside with a flashlight to check fit and clearances- close, but no cigar!   about a 1/2" from the oil pan seam; a little closer to the oil pan at the bottom.  I did need a shim at the header bolts to get the washer to level out between the header flange and the intake manifold flange.   I removed the EGR system completely, so I didn't open up the "appendix" sticking out of the collector.  The O2 oriface is down low enough that I loosened up the wiring harness and stretched the wiring a bit to make a connection- BIG MISTAKE!  The wires rubbed on the intake manifold and shorted out; burned up the fusible link (which is mislabeled in the Haynes manual by wrong color code/size).  Took me months of frustration to find it, and then found it by accident.  Actually' the O2 bung should be even further down to get a sample from all four cyls. instead of just two.   Oh yeah, for what it's worth, the head casting number is 403.   I did look for my paperwork from when I rebuilt the junkyard engine, but can't locate it offhand, so I'm not totally sure about the time I've had the header.  You know, the usual problems with getting older- CRS and Hereafter disease...   Sorry for your problems and wish I could be more help.
did you notice any problems eleminating the EGR system, what all did you have to take out? do you have to take smog tests in your state? Im tempted to eleminate mine also if i can get away with it.

Castr8r

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2008, 09:58:38 PM »
No smog tests required in Illannoys, thank goodness!  My son did most of the mods when the overhaul was done, including welding shut the hole in the intake manifold under the TBI.  The tube from the header to the metering device was rusted thru in several places, so it was probably putting in as much air as it was exhaust- unfiltered at that.  We also did a homebrew throttle body spacer- I was "loaned" a chunk of one inch aluminum plate, from which I cut an odd corner.  We then bored a hole thru it (I think it was 2"), and after Jay (son) drilled and inserted TBI mounting studs, welded it to the top of the manifold.  We also weren't happy with all the sharp edges in the manifold, so he went to work with a die grinder to break all sharp edges.  There were a lot of unused vacuum ports when we were done, and they were filled or plugged.  Many of the old vacuum lines were cracked or just rotten, so I replaced all of them.  So far (approx. two yrs. later), things are holding together well and running great with the exception of the short/fusible link problem.

I'm not sure that an EGR system that's nearly 30 years old is functional anyway, so why not eliminate it?  It's a device I could never understand from a functional standpoint.  (OK, I'm not the brightest bulb in the package...)  Getting rid of it may have gained me a couple of ponies, maybe a horse, and let's face it, our bangers need all the help they can get!

Sorry about running on like a physic woodpecker; I hope I've been some help.  L8r,  Castor

Oilsmoke

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2008, 10:29:42 PM »
I've got a Banks header on the way, anybody had any issues with them?

Bounty Hunter

I installed the Banks Header and It fit Great. Only Issues are Cost. Been On my Jeep for over 2 year and Not a leak, Crack, Loose Nut , You will love it.

dudley

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2008, 11:01:00 AM »
found my reciept I recieved them on may 25th so i called probably early June. Yea thats fine with me if you tell larry about me, I plan on emailing larry again on monday with pics and confront him of the lies. I feel that if we both confront him something would get done. even if it does nothing its worth getting him straight so he stops lieing to others. also cant find either 117 or 403 stamped on the head anywhere, just a bunch of other numbers, where exactly should it be stamped?
Thanks!
I will let Larry know the same.  Not sure on the numbers.  What I would LOVE to have happen is they admit their fault and send both of us a new set that is rightly made.  I told Larry that all it would take is the flange that bolts to the head to which the tubes are welded, since they are long tube headers, to be very slightly off and this would cause the tubes, by the time they get to where they pass by the pan, to not clear. I would think being as small as an eighth of an inch of would make them to be at least an inch off at the "y"'s, if not a bit more. 
I will keep you appraised of what Larry emails to me.

pioneer4x4

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2008, 12:21:14 PM »
Yea Larry said he could do nothing for me, and told me to modify them. so now i have my intake manifold and header off, and I noticed that the 1st exhaust valve is somewhat red? and the others are sort of whitish, not sure what a burned valve looks like, but im thinking this isnt good, dont think they looked like that when i had it all apart the 1st time. is this something to worry about? could i do a compression test with intake and header off? any advise would help.

dudley

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« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2008, 05:31:06 AM »
Yea Larry said he could do nothing for me, and told me to modify them. so now i have my intake manifold and header off, and I noticed that the 1st exhaust valve is somewhat red? and the others are sort of whitish, not sure what a burned valve looks like, but is thinking this isnt good, dont think they looked like that when i had it all apart the 1st time. is this something to worry about? could i do a compression test with intake and header off? any advise would help.
I have been in email contact with him and he said he is trying to find out why two of us so close together had the same problem.  I have not heard from him in a few days now.  Did he just recently tell you he could do nothing?  BTW, not sure on the valves, but if your header was hitting your block the way mine was, I wonder if you were getting a good seal at the bottom of the header flange.  Did you hear anything in the way of an exhaust leak?

pioneer4x4

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« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2008, 04:14:22 PM »
yea about a week or so he told me that, no exhaust leak. let me know what happens.thanks

Compstall

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« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2008, 11:39:52 PM »
I just finished reading this whole thread....any updates?

dudley

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« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2008, 05:36:24 AM »
I just finished reading this whole thread....any updates?
[/quoteYea.  After being promised by Larry he would get back with me on what he found out, all I have is "the sound of silence".
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So, I am considering pulling an Alice's Restaurant action.  I will make copies of all my glossy photos, copies of the emails between myself and Larry, the essence of the phone calls, reference I and  and another man right about the same time had the same problem, and send the the the President/CEO of the company, whom I hope is an offspring of the original Mr. Clifford and tell him how this looks for his company and that there has been a lot of chat on a Jeep website about not buying Clifford stuff if this is the way customers are treated.  See if I get a response.

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2008, 03:40:10 PM »
good luck...
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pioneer4x4

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2008, 07:58:38 AM »
finally got the header to fit after some banging, and made my fuel pressure regulator adjustable, second day driving it, seems to be ok, but need to rig something up for my egr tube, had to cut and insert a tube, not really sealed well, but a quick fix for now. at idle it is a little rough not sure if its the computer trying to correct the fuel pressure, or because more fuel pressure or exhaust leak at egr tube, but once i rig egr i should be one step closer. also does anyone know if there is a higher flow injector i could get for this TBI, i know the chevys are identical, but not sure any flow rates on mine or theirs any inputs would be appreciated.

Offline chardrc

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2008, 01:27:58 PM »
nice... it looks like your doing what i was trying to researce to do before.... but never got to do.
 most of the info i found is on a thread here.. do a search for somthing like "2 tbi questions" from what i found the injectors for a 5l have slightly higher flowrate than the jeep 2.5l.. i went as far as to get 2 from a junkyard but never got around to actualy installing them...  (ill copy past the link to the thread when i get home and can copy paste)
1990 YJ 4cly, ax5, 2.5 inch BDS lift, 31 MTr\'s,  Powertrax-lockers all around, track-bars removed, boomerang shackles, warn m8000 winch, electric fan. [sold but not forgotten]

2007 jk Rubicon 2dr

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2008, 06:10:51 PM »
heres the link: http://4bangerjp.com/forums/index.php?topic=3563.0 ... the main info you where looking for is

The 7747-64 (jeep) Flows 84cc on my ASNU  Machine On Test E @ 20psi.  These flow as follows on the same test:
5235203 (4.3l v6)...81cc...47lb/hr.....$34.99
5235279 (5.0l v8)...92cc...50lb/hr.....$34.99
5235206 (5.7l v8)..103cc...55lb/hr.....$39.99
17084327 ( 5.7l cop v8)...112cc...68lb/hr...$49.99 (out of stock)


the 84cc was for 15 seconds which turns into 48#... i got this info from an email with a person that sells injectors...

although since you already made the pressure regulator adjustable you don't really need to use bigger injectors to get more flow... unless you want to drastically change it i guess.
1990 YJ 4cly, ax5, 2.5 inch BDS lift, 31 MTr\'s,  Powertrax-lockers all around, track-bars removed, boomerang shackles, warn m8000 winch, electric fan. [sold but not forgotten]

2007 jk Rubicon 2dr

pioneer4x4

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Re: Best street usage 2.5 mods.
« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2008, 05:52:18 PM »
cool thanks man, i appriciate it. i figure why not put more flow in, you never know