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saylor240

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« on: January 25, 2006, 07:11:34 AM »
been looking on line for a 1997 thru 2004 jeep wrangler would like to hear some pros and cons about the four banger ....ive alwys had the v-8 and one 4.0 six in my jeeps ...but with gas prices and all, i need to conserve ...i will be using the jeep as daily driver for my four year old daughter and i ...with some wheeling and camping and short trips ........without major engine mods it apears i can get up to 180 hp out of 1997 jeep SE ?...and average 17.5 to 20 mpg  are those numbers correct ?........

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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2006, 01:05:14 PM »
Yes, you can get 180hp with a bolt-on supercharger.  The downside is that you have to run Premium instead of Regular.  That's a problem with all higher compression engines though.

150-160 is more reasistic with cheaper bolt-ons like headers, hi-flow cats, catbacks, ignitions, porting, 4.0L TB, TBS, electric fan, etc...  You also have to take into consideration where you want the power.  You can gain more HP if you're willing to loose low end torque.  Most bolt-ons are either designed for mid to high end power.

The problem with gas mileage and performance is that it gets offset once you start lifting and adding more weight to the Jeep.  If you kept the Jeep mostly stock (31's or less) and add bolt-ons you could see a decent improvement.

Remember you'll want to regear for any larger tire to take full advantage of things.

Also, a 9lbs inertia ring would probably be a good choice.  What it does is adds more weight to the rotational mass of the flywheel.  This keeps the engine turning without loosing as much speed when under load.  THis would help on and offroad.

Keeping your highway speeds down really helps but isn't always possible.  Staying under 65mph, will give you better gas mileage then if you went over.

Depending on how you set up the Jeep, you could see anywhere from mid teens to mid twenties.  There are a few who have documented as high as 25-7 but those are dependant on many factors.

Short trips, I think the 2.5L does well.  Geared right, longer trips can be done.  If you do a lot of highway stuff then a 4.0L might be a better option.   If you're mechanically inclined, you could buy a cheap 2.5L and swap the engine.

Any reason you're wanting a TJ and not a YJ?  If it's the suspension, that can be fixed with some tweaks.  Also, considering the price difference, you could probably buy a decent YJ and a lift kit for the price of some TJ's.  Just a thought....
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2006, 03:31:47 PM »
Quote from: "Jeffy"
Yes, you can get 180hp with a bolt-on supercharger.  The downside is that you have to run Premium instead of Regular.  That's a problem with all higher compression engines though.

150-160 is more reasistic with cheaper bolt-ons like headers, hi-flow cats, catbacks, ignitions, porting, 4.0L TB, TBS, electric fan, etc...  You also have to take into consideration where you want the power.  You can gain more HP if you're willing to loose low end torque.  Most bolt-ons are either designed for mid to high end power.

The problem with gas mileage and performance is that it gets offset once you start lifting and adding more weight to the Jeep.  If you kept the Jeep mostly stock (31's or less) and add bolt-ons you could see a decent improvement.

Remember you'll want to regear for any larger tire to take full advantage of things.

Also, a 9lbs inertia ring would probably be a good choice.  What it does is adds more weight to the rotational mass of the flywheel.  This keeps the engine turning without loosing as much speed when under load.  THis would help on and offroad.

Keeping your highway speeds down really helps but isn't always possible.  Staying under 65mph, will give you better gas mileage then if you went over.

Depending on how you set up the Jeep, you could see anywhere from mid teens to mid twenties.  There are a few who have documented as high as 25-7 but those are dependant on many factors.

Short trips, I think the 2.5L does well.  Geared right, longer trips can be done.  If you do a lot of highway stuff then a 4.0L might be a better option.   If you're mechanically inclined, you could buy a cheap 2.5L and swap the engine.

Any reason you're wanting a TJ and not a YJ?  If it's the suspension, that can be fixed with some tweaks.  Also, considering the price difference, you could probably buy a decent YJ and a lift kit for the price of some TJ's.  Just a thought....


Yea, what he said....
Jeffy, is dead on.

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saylor240

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2006, 12:29:37 PM »
may sound dumb ..................but i like the round headilights .....i'm a cj man at heart .but i do have four year old and we need newer .......plus i've driven both yj and tj .handling is deffintly an issue also lowering front windshield (alot of florida backroads) also the top goes down a little easier .um did i miss anything?.......ive been looking ,my price range is right on target and i'll have cash left over for upgrades.........of course if i had the money i would be at the dealership in line for a 2006 golden eagle edition....that was my first love .a 1979 golden eagle with a unstoppable 304 v* man i miss that one ........i may even cheat and paint my tj green and spend the money for the decals .would that be cheating?....... :D

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2006, 12:49:15 PM »
by the way thank you for the info on four compared to six cylider.im still undecided........... :?:

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2006, 01:07:01 PM »
Well, a YJ should be cheaper then a TJ.  Also, if you really wanted the CJ look, you can bolt up the front hood, grill and fenders from a CJ to the YJ.  You wouldn't really be able to tell if it was a CJ from a far.

Oh and if you get an I-6 you can still stick around.  :wink:
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2006, 12:04:55 PM »
thank you jedi master.........did not know the front of cj will bolt to yj.learn something new evrey time i come here!

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2006, 07:08:27 PM »
Personally partial to the TV-shaped headlights on the YJ.  Doing mods on the 4 cyl definitely opens it up on the highway.  When I first got mine, I was having trouble maintaining 65mph on little 205/75 tires and there was no accelerating in 5th gear.  

But, you do the usual intake/exhaust mods and then you can drive 75-80mph easy on 30 inch tires; also accelerate in 5th no problem and still hit about 18/20 mpg and generally feels like it needs a 6th gear.  And the engine will definitely rev much more easily.  But, of course, you lose low end torque.  Now, in my case, this may partially be just because I have not added a MAP adjuster to modify my fuel curve (I suspect my engine is running lean unless at full throttle).  

Will buy other cars but wouldn't minding doing the AEV Hemi Swap (has the 8-to-4 cyl deactivation) + an Atlas Transfer and D44s+Lockers + 36" tires on my old YJ 4cyl.  Then again may just settle for a Powerdyne Supercharger for the YJ.  Or, may just live with it as is!

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2006, 07:22:36 PM »
Hmm, the first few trips I had my Jeep when it was brand new I had it crusing at 75mph with the top down.  I can do 75mph now but holding it is a bit difficult.  Which is why I'm considering either doing gears (5.38's) or maybe a supercharger.  (see other thread)

Another interesting factoid.  You can fit an early CJ5 front end on also.  The Early CJ's are several inches shorter.  It will sorta look like you stretched the frame.
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