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Offline sharpxmen

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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #105 on: July 10, 2011, 12:15:46 PM »
you can't tell unless you take it apart (if it's ok i mean) - inspect the gears and play in the gears and shaft. They look the same but then again you'd need to compare the gears to tell if they are different.
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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #106 on: July 10, 2011, 12:19:04 PM »
If the pickup is plugged up it could restrict flow.
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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #107 on: July 10, 2011, 12:21:32 PM »
I think the pickup is off of my 2.5 and not my 4.0.  It looks really old and hashed

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« Reply #108 on: July 10, 2011, 12:25:04 PM »
I think the pickup is off of my 2.5 and not my 4.0.  It looks really old and hashed

i don't think they fit between the 4.0 and 2.5.
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« Reply #109 on: July 10, 2011, 12:40:54 PM »
I am going to do a manual test.  think this will work.

put some oil in the pan.  hold the screen in the oil and spin in manually to see if it picks up any oil.  That should tell me if it is working or clogged.

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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #110 on: July 10, 2011, 01:29:53 PM »
I am going to do a manual test.  think this will work.

put some oil in the pan.  hold the screen in the oil and spin in manually to see if it picks up any oil.  That should tell me if it is working or clogged.

you had some pressure so the oil was getting thru, imo the test is irrelevant.
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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #111 on: July 10, 2011, 02:38:25 PM »
Well shit then I am at a stand still until I speak with my mech.  Not sure what is next step.

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« Reply #112 on: July 10, 2011, 03:12:40 PM »
Well shit then I am at a stand still until I speak with my mech.  Not sure what is next step.

1. wash the pickup
2. go to a parts store and see if they have a replacement screen if you feel that yours is busted
3. take the old pump apart and check it with feeler gauges (chech the fsm for acceptable tolerances)

if it all tuns out ok then there might be some other issue for which you did not have oil pressure, otherwise if you find the old pump to be out of spec it might explain the problem.
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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #113 on: July 10, 2011, 03:26:38 PM »
What I've been wondering bad Main bearings wrong size whatever.
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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #114 on: July 12, 2011, 07:48:42 AM »
Well here is an update, change the oil pump, still not enough pressure.  Have to test with a manual gauge to be sure though

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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #115 on: July 12, 2011, 08:34:26 AM »
also, have you checked the clearance between the pickup and the bottom of the oil pan? (just to make sure is not pressing against it).

your next step would be to check the bearing clearance using plastigage i think.
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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #116 on: July 12, 2011, 12:57:36 PM »
Instructions from my guy:  check manual pressure, if none or little pull value cover to see where and where oil is not coming up.  Has anyone heard of a way to flush the block?  Some guy at autozone was telling me I could do that.  Then got a phone call and didnt elaborate.

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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #117 on: July 12, 2011, 01:18:22 PM »
Instructions from my guy:  check manual pressure, if none or little pull value cover to see where and where oil is not coming up.  Has anyone heard of a way to flush the block?  Some guy at autozone was telling me I could do that.  Then got a phone call and didnt elaborate.
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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #118 on: July 12, 2011, 01:19:11 PM »
also, have you checked the clearance between the pickup and the bottom of the oil pan? (just to make sure is not pressing against it).

your next step would be to check the bearing clearance using plastigage i think.

  As I said either wrong bearing or wrong machining.  Right on with the plastigage.  

  You could have oil coming to the valve cover area but you would not by sight be able to tell the pressure.  Just because a lot shows up does not mean pressure.

 Not sure what flushing will do.
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Re: fuel filter swap
« Reply #119 on: July 12, 2011, 02:47:35 PM »
the fuel pressure sensor or port if you wish is on the main oil galley in the block, regardless if you have oil on top (which you should since your pressure is > 0) it doesn't mean anything (like he ^ said).

aside of the main bearings (which would be the most likely cause at this point), cam bearings and even rod bearings can cause the same issue and also the lifters [but less likely]. Clearance (or lack of) between the oil pump pickup and the oil pan is another reason for lack of pressure.

if you're testing the clearance between the crank and bearings and it's out of spec then you know the next step, if it's fine then you need to look at other reasons.

another reason could be (and this is a very long shot) an oil galley cap sipping oil or missing (but that would mean 0 pressure) - i think there is one behind the dist chain cover and 1 behind the bellhousing, if it's the latter you'd be losing a lot of oil so that's not likely.

Oil pump was changed so that is out of question.

EDIT: flushing won't do anything at this point, you already took the oil pan out, so there's no gunk on the bottom to prevent the oil from going up the pickup tube. If you had pressure (like normal pressure i mean) and no oil on top of the head then it would make sense to try flushing but in your case i doubt would do anything - if there was something blocking the oil from reaching a bearing or lifters it would make noise but your pressure would be high, this is not your case. You can try but slim chance that it would have any [positive] result.
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