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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2013, 10:51:12 PM »
also try to seal the adjusting screw/nut with teflon tape as well, it's probably no longer sealed if you adjusted it.
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2013, 09:20:00 AM »
also try to seal the adjusting screw/nut with teflon tape as well, it's probably no longer sealed if you adjusted it.

Actually, I have not adjusted the fuel pressure; it's the same as when you shipped it to me (unless it's gotten loose, but then the fuel pressure would be off).
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2013, 09:50:05 AM »
ok, then leave it. I would still check if it holds vacuum, pull the line from the intake and suck some air and seal with your tongue or inside of the lip, should hold for at least a few seconds worst case, if it drops right away then check and see if it's at the fitting or the FPR.

when did it start doing it by the way? still thinking you should add some fuel just in the odd case scenario when that's the problem (although by watching the vid i'm not sure but who knows).
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2013, 12:41:44 PM »
ok, then leave it. I would still check if it holds vacuum, pull the line from the intake and suck some air and seal with your tongue or inside of the lip, should hold for at least a few seconds worst case, if it drops right away then check and see if it's at the fitting or the FPR.

when did it start doing it by the way? still thinking you should add some fuel just in the odd case scenario when that's the problem (although by watching the vid i'm not sure but who knows).

Oh, I will do the fuel thing...  No harm done if it's not that.  Besides, there was some oil residue on the original fitting (I replaced it last weekend; I could probably clean the old one and see how it is).  To be honest, I am not sure when it started doing this, as there are many things that were wrong, and I don't know which issued caused which symptoms.  I will check the vacuum on the FPR as well, and try a new FPR to see if it does the same (easy enough to change, and I do have one in the garage), although I don't think that's the cause. 

My guess is that it could also be the fuel pump acting up, but that does not worry me, as I am replacing that anyway along with the rest of the fuel sending unit (I am tire of seeing my Jeep at full for 90 miles or so before the needle starts to drop!).  So we'll see how it goes.

So far, the plan is to get under the Jeep on Saturday, drop the tank, replace the fuel sending unit, replace the rollover valves, and replace all the gaskets and fittings.  Mount the tank again (and fill it up with 4 to 5 gallons), and do the fuel thing at the FPR vacuum connection to clean that up.  Then I will test the vacuum pressure at the FPR.  If that's acting up, I can replace the entire line (I have more silicone hoses in my garage along with all the fittings and conenctors).  If it is NOT acting up, but the fuel pressure is still acting weird, I will replace the FPR with the other one I have.  If I have the chance, I will also change the MAP sensor, the air temp sensor at the intake, the coolant temp sensor, and the oil pressure sensor.  If I STILL have time, I will replace the fan controller with the flex-a-lite one (the DCC is acting up and not starting like it should for some reason; I grew tired of having problems with those, so I ordered the flex-a-lite one), and then, if the Jeep is actually up and running, I am going to the beach in it!  Hopefully, it will not leave me stranded!
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2013, 04:32:59 PM »
Wow, you will soon have an all new fuel system!
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2013, 05:39:24 PM »
Wow, you will soon have an all new fuel system!

Yup
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2013, 03:35:10 PM »
From the research I have been doing online, it seems that this issue is caused by one of 2 things; the fuel pump going bad (which is going to be changed anyway) or a vaccuum issue.  Either way, I will track down the issue and fix it this Saturday.  Wish me luck!
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2013, 07:05:41 PM »
While your in there... The evap canister lines (Vacume) are all right next to the wind shield washer jug..

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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2013, 08:59:11 AM »
While your in there... The evap canister lines (Vacume) are all right next to the wind shield washer jug..

Dave

Not in my case; my washer jug is on the passenger side next to the radiator (had to relocated for the snorkel), but those lines were all replaced with silicone ones.  I'll check that none of them have leaks, though...
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2013, 01:12:24 PM »
Well,I dropped the tank, changed the sending unit, andnow the pump is not turning on...  also, the fuel gauge shows a full tank, when I only got about 6 gallons in there.  My first thought was that I forgot to connect the plug, but I distinctly remember connecting it (and that it was a real PITA to connect!).  Any suggestions?
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2013, 02:08:38 PM »
you'll have to drop it unfortunately
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2013, 04:07:28 PM »
Do you have a body lift on yours cause on mine I can get to those plugs by Pulling my Drivers side rear tire and reaching between the frame and body.  If you are skinny you do not even need to pull the tire. ;)
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2013, 05:11:48 PM »
Well, sharp was right; had to drop it again, and found that the connector was faulty from the factory (the new one).  Tied to get it as it's supposed to be, but no joy.  I ended up using the old plug and splicing it to the new sending unit with some water proof solder splices that I bought some time ago (between the solder, the tied cables, and the tight grip and glue of the water proof splicers, I am betting they will end up being stronger than the plug itself!).  This did not fix the pulsating fuel pressure, so I checked vacuum and vacuum was fairly stable, so I tried the stock FPR; there is still SOME oscillation, but not nearly as much (3 PSI more or less, versus 10 or so before).  The odd thing is that when the engine is cold, the adjustable FPR works fine, but after a while, it starts acting up.  My guess would be that there is some resonating frequency which is causing the FPR to go into a harmonic oscillation, or something...  I'll post the videos later on after they upload...

The good news is that the Jeep is up and running; took it for a test drive, and no ill manners were detected.  Starts right up after shutting it down also, and no fuel smell found.  I am still loosing fuel pressure when I shut down, though, so there is a leak SOMEWHERE...  Plus, I still have to install the eFan controller box...
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2013, 06:42:46 PM »
you can try a few things with that FPR

1 - check if it holds vacuum
2 - losen the nut and unscrew the fitting about 1/4 turn, tighten the nut and see if it's still doing it
3 - unscrew 3 turns and then go back 2, work your way back to your idle psi with the vac on and when about right tighten the nut
4 - if none of the above and if you have an old FPR you can try cutting it and replace the spring in the adjustable one, i can't guarantee that this will do anything but just in case you want to try it.

i'm thinking it's the spring, but not sure.
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Re: I am stumped; please help!
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2013, 07:39:45 PM »
Here are the videos.

1. Adjustable FPR (sharp's) when engine is cold (notice very small oscillation) at idle:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/oDv39j2YiMg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/oDv39j2YiMg</a>

2. Adjustable FPR when engine at running temperature at idle.  Notice that it starts out without vacuum, and that vacuum hose is connected to vacuum pressure tester.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/UpStBzUCShg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/UpStBzUCShg</a>

3. Adjustable FPR when engine is cold (notice very small oscillation, and less pressure than at idel) at 3K RPM

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/1qBzOQB54bQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/1qBzOQB54bQ</a>

4. Stock FPR at idle with engine at running temp (still a little oscillation, but much less) at idle

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/cc9WWOXvoNo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/cc9WWOXvoNo</a>

5. Stock FPR at idle with engine at running temp at 3K RPM (notice the fuel pressure remains constant)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nKOy5AxCKXw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/nKOy5AxCKXw</a>
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