Topic: REMOTE START ON A STICK!!!!! SOUNDS FUN EHH????

[Jeffy]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Yes there is a clutch switch, no we dont put a key under the dash. And yes there are overt a million r/s put in every year.

lighten up man.  this is an info forum people want to learn not be bashed by others when they don't know.  jeffy has more info on most things than all of us combined.

dodges have to have a key code programmed in to unlock the "sentury" key function temporarily disabled to use the r/s.  i can see if a shop installed the unit  may not have access to the dc coding and used a spare key to keep the sentury module happy that is actually very smart thinking.  


and by the way, i don't know how you do it but,  if you are using a control box that is just cheating the skreem setting in the dodges then you are just hurting your customers because in the long run you are going to cause dtc and prematurely wear out the the skreem module and that is expensive

Well, I didn't take it that serious and since I do not know much about it and that's his job I respect his input even if it was a bit firm.  Not to mention I mixed up auto and manual.  It did sound like a dumb statement to make.  :roll:  In any case, it's not that big of a deal.

So lets try to keep on track and not make personal attacks.

I'm still interested in this box that's able to bypass the chip though.  How would the module put extra strain on the 'skreem' module?  I would think that the PCM would check for the chip only initially when the key is inserted then turn off.  Or is the chip on the key running all the time while it's inside the ignition.

I could see a Dealer denying repair if they found the bypass and the Sentury was non-op even if it didn't directly affect the module.

[kenny kustom]

no worries mate.. sorry for being a bit stern. There is no diffence between starting it with the key or the r/s. Some vehicles dont like to see 2 " keys " 9 one box and one key ) some dont care. Key programming on dodges is very easy.  key on, wait till sec light goes out.. remove, 2 nd key on, wait till light goes out... wait 3 more seconds... ding ding sec light flashes, remove key and insert 3rd key... or engage r/s with a 5 second wait to start signal. light goes out, key or box is programmed. There is no added stress to the skim module. it doesnt care.

other vehicle's program different but most of them work the same way.. some have rf chips, some contact resistances in the cylinder, some contact resistance in  the key itself. About the hardest car i ever had to do was my own 2006 saab 9-3. I still beleive i am the only one in the world with a r/s in that car...;

[moerl8088]

I don't think that I have a whole lot to add to this discussion except for what I am coming to learn as of late.
my dad and I get our kicks from fixing up wrecked jeeps.  We are on our 4th jeep right now.  Its a 2002 sahara.  The problem was that in the accident, the battery tray pretty much busted the PCM in half.  So I got us a PCM off of ebay.  Now, as the people in this particular thread are probably aware, its not so simple.  this vehicle is equiped with the sentry key immobilizer system.  My understanding of how this works is there is a key in the PCM, and in the Ignition switch.  Then there is a transponder in the key itself.  This is why a replacement key costs me 50 bucks from the dealership.  Basically what happens now is if you try and start it, it runs for 3 seconds and shuts down.  I'm thinking that not all wranglers have the SKIM setup.  But my impression would be that a remote start wouldn't work if you had a SKIM equipped jeep, unless you have a spare key close enough to the ignition switch.  I think this is what KK was talking about, can't remember.

anyway, I think that from a technical standpoint its more than possible.  an experienced car electronics guy can bypass the clutch stuff and install his own safeguards.  But its my opinion that its still dangerous.  and I don't think that it would really do much for resale.  but what do I know.
bottom line:  I live in Wisconsin.  My frozen tundra heart bleeds for all you chilly socal folk.

[zeitlerusmc]

no  i  just think jeffy likes to  act like he knows more than anybody, to  be quite honest with you! i think if you called jeffy on half the things he says you will find he is just about dead wrong...... scroll up... case in point!!!!

[YJmechanic]

no worries mate.. sorry for being a bit stern. There is no diffence between starting it with the key or the r/s. Some vehicles dont like to see 2 " keys " 9 one box and one key ) some dont care. Key programming on dodges is very easy.  key on, wait till sec light goes out.. remove, 2 nd key on, wait till light goes out... wait 3 more seconds... ding ding sec light flashes, remove key and insert 3rd key... or engage r/s with a 5 second wait to start signal. light goes out, key or box is programmed. There is no added stress to the skim module. it doesnt care.

i'm not sure exactly what you are tlaking about with dodges or what years you are working on but the vehicle has to be programmed with the key code for all new keys not just put in the ignition.  for that matter if you put the code in incorrectley the the car goes into security mode for 3 hours and cannot be started with any key.  my point on the skreem or skim module is that they are not supposed to have two keys close to eachother or it can actually cause both to lose programming.  i'm not sure what the science in that one is but during the training they are very speific about that.  and sorry to sound rude but i don't like to think people are downing eachother in this board.  so again i'm not sure exactly what you are working on but according to everything i have info on you can't program that way or at least not on newer vehicles.  and also the key is checked constantly not only at startup

[Jeffy]

no  i  just think jeffy likes to  act like he knows more than anybody, to  be quite honest with you! i think if you called jeffy on half the things he says you will find he is just about dead wrong...... scroll up... case in point!!!!

You didn't read the whole thread did you?  :roll:  If you want to start a flame war go elsewhere.  Thread shitting will not be tolerated.

no worries mate.. sorry for being a bit stern.

No, we're good...


I'm still interested in this thread.  It's going to come up again, I'm sure and there is some good dialog.

[Jesse-James]

Thread shitting will not be tolerated.

[kenny kustom]

i'm not sure exactly what you are tlaking about with dodges or what years you are working on but the vehicle has to be programmed with the key code for all new keys not just put in the ignition.  for that matter if you put the code in incorrectley the the car goes into security mode for 3 hours and cannot be started with any key.  my point on the skreem or skim module is that they are not supposed to have two keys close to eachother or it can actually cause both to lose programming.  i'm not sure what the science in that one is but during the training they are very speific about that.  and sorry to sound rude but i don't like to think people are downing eachother in this board.  so again i'm not sure exactly what you are working on but according to everything i have info on you can't program that way or at least not on newer vehicles.  and also the key is checked constantly not only at startup

I know exactly what i am talking about ... I have been installing remote starter for more than 10 years. I have programmed more Security systems than you have even seen. In the winter i will do 4-6 remote starters a DAY. And that is the way you program SENTRY KEYS....

[kenny kustom]

Bottom line is i wouldnt put a r/s on a jeep. I wouldnt want any more elctonics in some as poorly sealed as a jeep. I put a coolant heater on my yj for this year. 1500 watts. Plug it in for an hour, and ive got heat.

[Jeffy]

I know exactly what i am talking about ... I have been installing remote starter for more than 10 years. I have programmed more Security systems than you have even seen. In the winter i will do 4-6 remote starters a DAY. And that is the way you program SENTRY KEYS....

I don't think anyones doubting that it can be done.  I'd like to know more about the specifics though.  What's in the box.  Have a link to one? Or maybe schmatics?  It sounds like the box is dummy chip that is programmed to the PCM like a key.  In essence, another key to the PCM.

[kenny kustom]

I know exactly what i am talking about ... I have been installing remote starter for more than 10 years. I have programmed more Security systems than you have even seen. In the winter i will do 4-6 remote starters a DAY. And that is the way you program SENTRY KEYS....

I don't think anyones doubting that it can be done.  I'd like to know more about the specifics though.  What's in the box.  Have a link to one? Or maybe schmatics?  It sounds like the box is dummy chip that is programmed to the PCM like a key.  In essence, another key to the PCM.

That exactly what it is.